if a god were to make himself known then faith in god would end.
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Atheism is not scientific
- Thread starter Ostronomos
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if a god were to make himself known then faith in god would end.
You are in my territory. Because then we can work hard to do what's right, be baptized, and have the vicarious effects of the atonement bring us back into the presence of God in the afterlife.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's not hard to make an experiment to see if anything is there.How? Did science do a study on it and prove it? What year? Who were the scientists? Who peer reviewed it? What were its basic findings? Where did they find it too? On one of the branches of the philosophy bush?
No results, nothing to peer review.
Unless of course something comes up that can be tested again that is of any substance worthy of peer review. I'm sure there will be something published in the journal if it does.
Otherwise there is nothing there. Pretty factual and sound I would think.
Moonjuice
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Good grief. This could be one of the dumbest things I've read so far. You win the gold prize for nonsensical statements!
Atheism is based on reason and logic, not science.
Science is an investigational modality. It draws conclusions from observed facts and tests them. A position is scientific when it does the same, or accepts science's conclusions.
Science is evidence-based.
Atheism is not a conclusion drawn from observed or testable facts. It's usually not a conclusion at all. It's an abeyance of belief in the absence of facts or evidence.
As soon as science concludes that there is a god, atheism will diminish precipitously, but, thus far, no real, empirical evidence has come to light.
I have the same problem, Ostro. But until some actual empirical evidence is unearthed, there is no 'explanation' to translate, in fact, nothing even to explain.
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But what is the worth of that, what is the use? It's like a colour-blind person saying that there are no colours because he cannot see any.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, I am really am not in your territory Not one bit. Morality is not the private property of the religious. In fact religion quite often gets in the way of morality.
Once again, why would a God want us to worship him? And I have seen far too many Christians that do not understand the concept of atonement. Saying that you are sorry to your own God is not atonement.
What I hear him saying is that he's somehow exited The Cave, but can find no way to communicate that experience to those still chained in front of the fire.
More frustrating than nonsensical.
You haven't been on RF very long, trust me this is only typical of dumbest statements.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Bad analogy. Color can be confirmed and demonstrated. No one seems to have any evidence for a god. And once again, atheism is not necessarily a statement that god does not exist.
How would you demonstrate colour to a colour-blind person? I don't mean showing the difference in wave lengths but what colours really are to you?
There is evidence of different wavelengths of light, frequency can be measured. No so a god, unless you have something that you are keeping secret...
Short answer. God wants us to worship Him because God is good and wants us to be good which worshipping encourages.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
My atheism is based on a lack of verifiable evidence that any god that's ever been proposed to me actually exists. If you have such evidence I'd love to hear it. If you don't then it would be ridiculous for me to accept your claims.
You did not answer my question yet. Non-visible wavelengths can also be demonstrated indirectly but even someone who can see colour via other wavelengths cannot see them as colour. Colour is something made in the brain. God cannot be demonstrated because He is beyond cause and effect, there is no way you can grasp God with your human mind just like a colour-blind person can never understand colour. Saying that there is nothing beyond cause and effect (where you can find "evidence") is a faith.
i have answered the question, you simply do not like the answer
Colour is the consiquence of the wavelength of light, you want to tie my hands behind my back blindfold and gag me then rejoice because i dont meet your criteria. Oh so cool. You win. I cannot answer without answering and you don't want the answer that screws up youe ego.
Nor have you demonstrated any iota of evidence for a god, when you manage that small task that even the most brilliant of theologians throughout history have failed to do
It matters to god whether people believe in him or not because people who believe in him are much tastier and satisfying than those who do not believe in him.
You are repeating yourself and are trapped because you don't like my argument and have no answer.
It is a faith, atheism, and a dogmatic one at that.
It's not a matter of utility, it's the definition of atheism. It's an epistemic question about ontology or truth.
Maybe it's more like a member of a color blind species declaring that he'll believe in color as soon as someone produces more than anecdotal evidence of it.
I wouldn't dismiss the question of god so casually. This question, perhaps more than any other, has shaped human history, and created the society we live in.
Exactly!
Atheism is the logical default position, pending evidence.