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Atheism is not scientific

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You are repeating yourself and are trapped because you don't like my argument and have no answer.
It is a faith, atheism, and a dogmatic one at that.

FFS i have given you the answer, tough that you don't like it. But if denying fact makes your faith stronger, it's up to you to live with that
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Exactly!
Atheism is the logical default position, pending evidence.
Indeed but God can of course never be caught by anything to do with logic, or He would not be God.
So the evidence requirement is a ridiculous one and an arrogant one too.

Atheists are trapped in the religious dogma that cause and effect is all there is to reality.
They are adherents to the most stupid religion there is.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Theism could potentially be proven, not atheism.
Only because it makes absolutely no sense to say one might "prove" atheism. There is nothing to be proven. I don't believe you - that's all. I'm not saying there is no God. I'm saying if there is a God, and you want to convince me that it's everywhere all the time and necessary for anything and everything to exist - well then one would think it should be ridiculously easy to provide evidence of a thing so fundamental to reality, wouldn't they? But it isn't easy, is it? Not in the slightest.

Go get your evidence, then come back and convince me. Until then, I don't want to hear about it. I will continue to put my mindful attention toward the evidence of things that actually produce results.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Indeed but God can of course never be caught by anything to do with logic, or He would not be God.
So you're an agnostic, believing that god cannot be known or evidenced.
So the evidence requirement is a ridiculous one and an arrogant one too.
How so? How is it any different from the evidentiary requirement for any other belief?
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
So you're an agnostic, believing that god cannot be known or evidenced.

How so? How is it any different from the evidentiary requirement for any other belief?
I simply believe that Consciousness precedes time, space and cause and effect.
So in that way I am not agnostic.
But when it comes to most religious ideas, I am a non-believer.
God can only be realised by going beyond your own consciousness (surrendering it) merging it into the Cosmic Consciousness.
You cannot realise God with your limited small mind, He is too vast for that, He is beyond creation.
You cannot also say that God exists, that is equally stupid as saying He does not exist.
He has nothing to do with any type of existence, He is beyond that.
The Creation exists, She can be analysed with the human mind, not God.

Colour is created in the brain, just as smell and taste is.
The vibrations in the brain are triggered by vibrations in the nerve cells and sense organs which are created by chemical or light wave/particle triggers.
The actual "seeing" of colour has nothing to do with the triggers themselves, it is an indirect process.
So you can never explain to a colour-blind person what colour really is to you.
And you cannot explain to someone who has never realised God "what" God "is".
 
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robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Only because it makes absolutely no sense to say one might "prove" atheism. There is nothing to be proven. I don't believe you - that's all. I'm not saying there is no God. I'm saying if there is a God, and you want to convince me that it's everywhere all the time and necessary for anything and everything to exist - well then one would think it should be ridiculously easy to provide evidence of a thing so fundamental to reality, wouldn't they? But it isn't easy, is it? Not in the slightest.

Go get your evidence, then come back and convince me. Until then, I don't want to hear about it. I will continue to put my mindful attention toward the evidence of things that actually produce results.
Sorry; you seem emotional about this.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I simply believe that Consciousness precedes time, space and cause and effect.
So in that way I am not agnostic.
But when it comes to most religious ideas, I am a non-believer.
God can only be realised by going beyond your own consciousness (surrendering it) merging it into the Cosmic Consciousness.
You cannot realise God with your limited small mind, He is too vast for that, He is beyond creation.
You cannot also say that God exists, that is equally stupid as saying He does not exist.
He has nothing to do with any type of existence, He is beyond that.

But apparently he has a gender and you know what it is... Interesting that...
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There is evidence of different wavelengths of light, frequency can be measured. No so a god, unless you have something that you are keeping secret...
There is evidence of different wavelengths of light, frequency can be measured. No so a god, unless you have something that you are keeping secret...
I think his/her point is that color is a question of qualia, not wavelength.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Atheists are trapped in the religious dogma that cause and effect is all there is to reality.
They are adherents to the most stupid religion there is.
Apparently you don't understand what atheism is. Atheism has no beliefs, so can't be dogmatic.

It's the religious who are trapped in the cause-and-effect model, not the atheists. How many times have I heard arguments that a creation necessitates a creator or that every effect must be caused by someone?

In what way is atheism a religion? No beliefs, no dogma, no church or organized community, no ceremonies, no concept of sacred or profane, no rituals or services.

Name a single quality of "religion" that would apply to atheism.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Colour is definitely a question of frequency, how that wavelength us perceived is subjective.
Exactly! Color is all in our heads, it's a subjective experience produced by differential electromagnetic frequency; a qualia.
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Atheism is a belief, a dogmatic (I would say religious) idea that reality is limited only to where cause and effect (or time and space) can reach.
God is not male or female, but I choose to call the Supreme Consciousness a He and His Creation a She, just like I call people with willies he and the one with c*nts she.
It is of course a fallacy to use that in this discussion, just like it is a fallacy to compare spirituality to not collecting stamps. But is takes intelligence to spot a fallacy and we are dealing here with religious folk, not spiritual folk.
So they are not to blame.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Exactly! Color is all in our heads, it's a subjective experience produced by differential electromagnetic frequency; a qualia.

And my point is that colour could be measured wheras a god is in the the head and cannot be measured
 
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