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Atheism makes no sense. You cannot get something from nothing without a God.
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IsmailaGodHasHeard
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No, it is not. That is circular logic.
Walkntune
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Sounds like another label for God to me.
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
Thank you.
I don't really have a clear concept of God in my head so I guess it depends on your particular concept. The Great Tao is impersonal on the macro level and the many taos are personal on the micro level, after all we're composed of the cosmos. Can't get any more personal than that.
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FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
How is it circular logic? Have you studied the theory of evolution? Have you studied the theory of gravitation? have you studied the theory of general relativity? all these scientific theories are the best ways to explain the facts of evolution, gravitation and relativity.
Simply saying " No, its not! :ignore:" or " No, YOU are the one who is making stupid claims" is not a very effective way to debate one's position. It makes one look silly.
You started this thread. You made certain assertions. I asked you to back up your claims and instead you turn around on me. Don't get flustered with the debate. If your beliefs are strong, they will withstand scrutiny.
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outhouse
Atheistically
I know....ain't it great!You have the right to believe what you want.
Walkntune
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To me god is not a concept you hold in your head but a vibrational frequency sensed intuitively in the heart
Everything is a frequency of energy.The greatest and purest of these frequencies is that of Love. God is love.As the end approaches expect the frequncies to get lower and lower in man.It is revealed in the music, in behaviors,etc.Notice how the music has been changing and went from dropped d tuning and now going to frequencies that are getting so low to barely hear but still effect us.It will continue genaration after generation only as a subtle annoyance from the previous generation .People will discern the lower pitches after awhile and then it will get lower as are vibrational frequencies get lower.Man is drifting further away from that of love.Families don't hold together as tight.Neighbors are becoming more distant to each other.People will bond more and more through electronics then in groups and be even more scattered.People are living behind locked doors and in fear instead of being neighborly.The world is becoming politically correct instead of morally correct.
As the frequency keeps dropping the resistance from that and the frequency of the most pure form of existance will cause corrosion.
Thats if i look at God from a cosmo's point of view!
But don't be dismayed!
Colossians 1:15-21
[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the first-born [prototokos] of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities [i.e., hierarchical angelic powers]---all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
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IsmailaGodHasHeard
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IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
I am going to take a break for the night so that I can pray about how to answer all of your questions. God bless.
McBell
Unbound
Really?
Are you really going to start debating?
I mean, the thread is how many pages long and you have not yet even begun to debate.
I think it would only be polite to start.
To me god is not a concept you hold in your head but a vibrational frequency sensed intuitively in the heart.
Everything is a frequency of energy.The greatest and purest of these frequencies is that of Love. God is love.As the end approaches expect the frequncies to get lower and lower in man.It is revealed in the music, in behaviors,etc.Notice how the music has been changing and went from dropped d tuning and now going to frequencies that are getting so low to barely hear but still effect us.It will continue genaration after generation only as a subtle annoyance from the previous generation .People will discern the lower pitches after awhile and then it will get lower as are vibrational frequencies get lower.Man is drifting further away from that of love.Families don't hold together as tight.Neighbors are becoming more distant to each other.People will bond more and more through electronics then in groups and be even more scattered.People are living behind locked doors and in fear instead of being neighborly.The world is becoming politically correct instead of morally correct.
As the frequency keeps dropping the resistance from that and the frequency of the most pure form of existance will cause corrosion.
Thats if i look at God from a cosmo's point of view!
Very nice interpretation. Everything is a frequency of energy. :jam:
I know it can disheartening to see the changes in the world and construe them an irreversible tendency away from love. I don't view that as inevitable. We've come a relative long way in terms of equal rights, people around the world are demanding freedom, and the Internet can help connect people from diverse backgrounds around the globe. At least I'm tight with my family and I know a few neighbors. I believe that we will become more united in our diversity over time. I don't think people are becoming tone deaf to the vibrations of the universe.
I also believe that when there's lack of faith, there's also lack of good faith. You have plenty of faith in your God it seems, but perhaps you should put a little more faith in your fellow human beings. Together we can learn to listen to the subtle vibrations of love emanating throughout our being.
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Walkntune
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Not tone death, just operating in lower frequencies.Very nice interpretation. Everything is a frequency of energy. :jam:
I know it can disheartening to see the changes in the world and construe them an irreversible tendency away from love. I don't view that as inevitable. We've come a relative long way in terms of equal rights, people around the world are demanding freedom, and the Internet can help connect people from diverse backgrounds around the globe. At least I'm tight with my family and I know a few neighbors. I believe that we will become more united in our diversity over time. I don't think people are becoming tone deaf to the vibrations of the universe.
I also believe that when there's lack of faith, there's also lack of good faith. You have plenty of faith in your God it seems, but perhaps you should put a little more faith in your fellow human beings. Together we can learn to listen to the subtle vibrations of love emanating throughout our being.
Rights are about (me) and (I) and are illusional and another cause of separation.
I have faith in love but refuse to build a castle on the sand!
I guess I do agree that many of our current social institutions will collapse due to their unnatural constructions. They were built on sand as you say. I take a long view approach to things, though. The end may be neigh, but it's only the prelude to a new beginning. Nothing ends. Nothing ever truly ends. After the dust settles, people can learn from their mistakes and grow, evolve, adapt, become reborn into a new way of living that is more in harmony with the vibrations of the spirit, the cosmos, and the ecosystem.
I don't see natural rights as just about the selfish ego. I'm compelled to accept and celebrate the rights of other individuals as well all around the world. Perhaps it is a problem that we're so dependent on the role of law to defend this rights rather than accepting them naturally. That's the shift that I see needing to take place. Then they can truly come into their own as natural rights and not just political rights. Remember it was the people who originally started demanding rights from their political institutions, not the political institutions imposing the illusion of rights upon individuals. The desire for freedom and equality comes from within.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Your hitting the nail on the head.Rights are not needed when you walk in love.The only natural right I know of is to not be separate from all that is.All other rights are because of the illusion of seperation.
Here ponder on this quote from Einstein.
"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter." - Albert Einstein
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Matter has no separate existence from all the physical interactions that compose it. Then even smaller are the vibrating strings of M-Theory, subtle and simple.
I also like this quote.
A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive.
Albert Einstein
blackout
Violet.
You're stating that something cannot come from nothing(which isn;t evolution anyways) and then stating that a god created it, but your conclusion is directly contradicted by your premise. Unless you believe that there is some infinite regress.