Atheism makes no sense. You cannot get something from nothing without a God.

[Gjallarhorn]

Thats about the same as assuming there is no debate between religion and science on this forum.
Pseudoscience is just a left brain concept to cover up that which it can't comprehend intuitively.Physcological effect is another good one.They even understood this concept over two thousand years ago.

Intuition says that the sun rises, a table is solid, and that the world goes away when you close your eyes. Why continue to rely on intuition like like a child?

 

[Photonic]

Intuition says that the sun rises, a table is solid, and that the world goes away when you close your eyes. Why continue to rely on intuition like like a child?

The first two bits are analytic.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

The first two bits are analytic.

To some extent. I was mixing common sense and intuition. They aren't that different anyway.

 

[Walkntune]

Einstein was something called a Scientific Pantheist, which isn't really pantheism in the sense you understand it.

Its exactly pantheism as I understand it. It means there is no separation between time, space and matter.

 

[Photonic]

Its exactly pantheism as I understand it. It means there is no separation between time, space and matter.

Sorry. No, it isn't.

Your continued use of Einstein in your support for religion would have him turning over in his grave if it was possible.

 

[Walkntune]

Your appeals to authority irritate me. I am not going to rely on Einstein, a physicist, as an authority on spiritual matters, especially since there are so many conflicting misquotes on his views.

All of your claims are appeals to authority unless you have brought something new into the sciences.

 

[Photonic]

All of your claims are appeals to authority unless you have brought something new into the sciences.

Then why aren't you listening to me?

 

[Revoltingest]

All of your claims are appeals to authority unless you have brought something new into the sciences.

Personally, I don't need authority.
In fact, I'm an atheist precisely because of the lack of authority on gods.
There just ain't no reason to believe....other than made up reasons like.....
"You can't get something from nothing."
"Someone must have created the universe."
"Someone must create morals, for without them life has no purpose or meaning."
Etc, etc, etc.....
They're all unverifiable premises.

 

[Walkntune]

Then why aren't you listening to me?

The wheel goes round and round.Einstein and Tesla have always took stances that were in conflict with their colleagues or the herd mentality.
Outside of Teslas analitical thinking he had great intuitive foresite that I have appreciation for.

“When wireless is perfectly applied the whole earth will be converted into a huge brain, which in fact it is, all things being particles of a real and rhythmic whole. We shall be able to communicate with one another instantly, irrespective of distance. Not only this, but through television and telephony we shall see and hear one another as perfectly as though we were face to face, despite intervening distances of thousands of miles; and the instruments through which we shall be able to do his will be amazingly simple compared with our present telephone. A man will be able to carry one in his vest pocket.”Nikola Tesla

He was the creater of the 4g cell phone over a hundred years ago.
He did not approach science with a skeptical mind but with a creative intuition.
I don't stand on their convictions of this creative universal force because I appeal to Einstein and Tesla'a authority but because I also identify with their convictions.
You on the other hand seem to approach reality with a skeptical view point which is if its not lined up to current theories,then toss it.Can't move forward by continuesly looking backwards.

 

[Straw Dog]

Slightly off topic, but if you can get me that in Chinese, I'd be über grateful. I'd like to check out what term it uses for God. If it uses 'shen', 'shangdi', or something else.

I was using the New English Version simply for the sake of spiritual discussion since it can be easier to grasp for English speakers in many ways. It's not a direct translation and indeed it has gotten much criticism for it, but I still feel that it can be very useful. I own several different direct translations as well.

The one translation by D. C. Lau reads "it images the forefather of God." So perhaps it is properly translated as "god". My other translation by John C. H. Wu reads "I don't know whose child it is; it seems to be the common ancestor of all, the father of things." I don't speak or write Chinese, at least very much of it, so I depend on other translators. Fortunately there's no dogma in Taoism so it's pretty flexible.

 

[T-Dawg]

All of your claims are appeals to authority unless you have brought something new into the sciences.

A possibly valid point, but one I do not understand. Elaborate?

You on the other hand seem to approach reality with a skeptical view point which is if its not lined up to current theories,then toss it.Can't move forward by continuesly looking backwards.

No, we look at evidence and disbelieve something that contradicts what the facts show to be true. You, on the other hand, seem to look at arbitrary "intuition" to make your decisions. It is slightly humorous that you criticize us for looking backwards, while you reject evolution in favor of creationism.

 

[Straw Dog]

Which religion was Einstein refering to?

I don't think Einstein was referring to any specific religion, whether it be pantheism or Taoism or Buddhism. I think he was just speaking his mind directly about how things are. It was a pure expression of his spirituality as informed by his knowledge of physics.

 

[Straw Dog]

He did not approach science with a skeptical mind but with a creative intuition. I don't stand on their convictions of this creative universal force because I appeal to Einstein and Tesla'a authority but because I also identify with their convictions. You on the other hand seem to approach reality with a skeptical view point which is if its not lined up to current theories,then toss it.Can't move forward by continuesly looking backwards.

Why would skepticism and creative intuition be wholly separate? I'm a Taoist, but I don't have the same exact technical understanding as the Taoists five thousand years ago, although I'd like to think they would've been open to the scientific method and its discoveries.

Left-brain, right-brain? Don't we all have to use both sides of our brain to function well?

 

[Majikthise]

I don't think Einstein was referring to any specific religion, whether it be pantheism or Taoism or Buddhism. I think he was just speaking his mind directly about how things are. It was a pure expression of his spirituality as informed by his knowledge of physics.

I agree, and understand that he was.
Thanks

Dan

 

[Photonic]

The wheel goes round and round.Einstein and Tesla have always took stances that were in conflict with their colleagues or the herd mentality.
Outside of Teslas analitical thinking he had great intuitive foresite that I have appreciation for.

He was the creater of the 4g cell phone over a hundred years ago.
He did not approach science with a skeptical mind but with a creative intuition.
I don't stand on their convictions of this creative universal force because I appeal to Einstein and Tesla'a authority but because I also identify with their convictions.
You on the other hand seem to approach reality with a skeptical view point which is if its not lined up to current theories,then toss it.Can't move forward by continuesly looking backwards.

You have no idea how I approach things, please refrain from attempting to label me in your own mind as such.

Their convictions are thus defined;

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) From Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

 

[Majikthise]

You have no idea how I approach things, please refrain from attempting to label me in your own mind as such.

Their convictions are thus defined;

Beat me to the punch!

 

[Walkntune]

Why would skepticism and creative intuition be wholly separate? I'm a Taoist, but I don't have the same exact technical understanding as the Taoists five thousand years ago, although I'd like to think they would've been open to the scientific method and its discoveries.

Left-brain, right-brain? Don't we all have to use both sides of our brain to function well?

Good point.The more in harmony they are as one, the more you will see beyond the illusion and all in reality as one. Science is about materialism and observing all as seperate and religion is about all things coming together as one.The two in conflict is about left and right brain in conflict. Einstein saw beyond this illusion.He saw everything as one.We are not seperate from the universe to observe but we are part of the universe.

 

[Walkntune]

You have no idea how I approach things, please refrain from attempting to label me in your own mind as such.

Sorry.You just come across as someone who views sciece from a skeptics point of view.

 

[Photonic]

Good point.The more in harmony they are as one, the more you will see beyond the illusion and all in reality as one. Science is about materialism and observing all as seperate and religion is about all things coming together as one.The two in conflict is about left and right brain in conflict. Einstein saw beyond this illusion.He saw everything as one.We are not seperate from the universe to observe but we are part of the universe.

This, more than anything you have ever posted, shows to me just how little you truly know about science and its purpose.

 

[Straw Dog]

Good point.The more in harmony they are as one, the more you will see beyond the illusion and all in reality as one. Science is about materialism and observing all as seperate and religion is about all things coming together as one.The two in conflict is about left and right brain in conflict. Einstein saw beyond this illusion.He saw everything as one.We are not seperate from the universe to observe but we are part of the universe.

I agree that creative intuition and imagination are very important in science, especially theoretical physics. All great scientists know this. I would say that science isn't all about materialism, but rather physicalism. I also think that sound logic, reason, and skepticism are critical for informing one's spirituality so as not to falter into purely mystical notions of reality. Science has fleshed out that fact the we are literally made of the cosmos. We are one with the Universe in that sense I believe. Everything is one and separate at the same time. As Neil deGrasse Tyson puts it:

“Recognize that the very molecules that make up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy, enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life. So that we are all connected to each other biologically, to the earth chemically and to the rest of the universe atomically. That’s kinda cool! That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at the end of that. It’s not that we are better than the universe, we are part of the universe. We are in the universe and the universe is in us.”