Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist "

[paarsurrey]

The truthful revealed religion people have the belief "God exists" and
Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist ", nevertheless both have a belief. Right, please?

Regards

 

[Kirran]

I am sure someone has described to you before on these forums the distinction between 'Gnostic Atheism' and 'Agnostic Atheism'. The former, one could say, lives up to your claim. The latter does not. Most atheists are probably on a continuum between the two.

 

[Augustus]

Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist "

Some people would agree, others would disagree. A scholarly view:

There is no clear, academic consensus as to how exactly the term should be used. For example, consider the following definitions of ‘atheism’ or ‘atheist’, all taken from serious scholarly writings published in the last ten years

1. ‘Atheism […] is the belief that there is no God or gods’ (Baggini 2003: 3)
2. ‘At its core, atheism […] designates a position (not a “belief”) that includes or asserts no god(s)’ (Eller 2010: 1)
3. ‘[A]n atheist is someone without a belief in God; he or she need not be someone who believes that God does not exist’ (Martin 2007: 1)
4. ‘[A]n atheist does not believe in the god that theism favours’ (Cliteur 2009: 1)
5. ‘By “atheist,” I mean precisely what the word has always been understood to mean—a principled and informed decision to reject belief in God’ (McGrath 2004: 175)

The Oxford Handbook of Atheism

 

[Altfish]

I'm an atheist, I want evidence. Show me a god and I'll believe that she exists.
At the moment I have no evidence that she exists, so I work to the premise (not believe) that no such being exists.

 

[WalterTrull]

Show me a god and I'll believe that she exists.

Patience

 

[Altfish]

Patience

She's running out of time

 

[WalterTrull]

She's running out of time

Sometimes the presentation is a little more involved than other times.

 

[columbus]

The truthful revealed religion people have the belief "God exists" and
Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist ", nevertheless both have a belief. Right, please?

Regards

Speaking for myself, atheism isn't a belief. It's an observation.
Or, more precisely, a batch of observations. One main one is, "There is demonstrably no God that cares enough about what humans believe, do, or what happens to them to make a clear statement on the subject."
Tom

 

[Nakosis]

The truthful revealed religion people have the belief "God exists" and
Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist ", nevertheless both have a belief. Right, please?

Regards

I found reasons to believe in a lot of different religions. Finding a reason to believe is not really that difficult. Some religions have more than one God. One may find reason to believe in any number of Gods.

My question comes down to, how does someone verify one belief over any other belief. Lacking a sufficient answer to this question, I decided I was not the correct person to make this judgement. So unless this changes I decided it was best not to make a judgement regarding God.

 

[dfnj]

The truthful revealed religion people have the belief "God exists" and
Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist ", nevertheless both have a belief. Right, please?
Regards

Atheism does NOT have the belief "God does not exist". You can prove a negative. This is what atheist claim what atheism is:

What is Atheism? | American Atheists

"Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods."

 

[dfnj]

I found reasons to believe in a lot of different religions. Finding a reason to believe is not really that difficult. Some religions have more than one God. One may find reason to believe in any number of Gods.

My question comes down to, how does someone verify one belief over any other belief. Lacking a sufficient answer to this question, I decided I was not the correct person to make this judgement. So unless this changes I decided it was best not to make a judgement regarding God.

This is a great post. I very much agree with all your sentiments.

However, slight counter point to what you are saying. You could take the position that there are measurable ways to determine the effectiveness or value of a religion. All religions worth following and making the effort to adhere to their disciplines are designed to answer the follow four existential questions:
1. Who am I?
2. Why am I here?
3. What does it all mean?
4. What is going to happen to me when I die?

Based on this, you could measure a religions effectiveness by how functional people are in life. Or by how enthusiastic a religion's people are participating in life. Or by how healthy and happy people are because of their adherence to religious disciplines. Take Southern Baptists compared to Confucianism for example. You could use obesity as a measure of one religion being better over another.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I'm an atheist, I want evidence. Show me a god and I'll believe that she exists.
At the moment I have no evidence that she exists, so I work to the premise (not believe) that no such being exists.

It's not lack of evidence why you don't believe. It's lack of belief that makes you need evidence. The lack is not outside but in you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The truthful revealed religion people have the belief "God exists" and
Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist ", nevertheless both have a belief. Right, please?

Regards

Looking up the definition of belief, yes, I accept its true that god does not exist based on evidence in human nature, psychology, and enviroment that validates my statement.

 

[Altfish]

It's not lack of evidence why you don't believe. It's lack of belief that makes you need evidence. The lack is not outside but in you.

You do not know what I believe.
Only I know what I believe.
Why would I believe anything without evidence??
The lack of evidence is why I do not accept many things; gods, leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, Yetis, etc.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

You do not know what I believe.
Only I know what I believe.
Why would I believe anything without evidence??
The lack of evidence is why I do not accept many things; gods, leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, Yetis, etc.

My claim was regarding why you believe

 

[LuisDantas]

The truthful revealed religion people have the belief "God exists" and
Atheism people have a belief "God does not exist ", nevertheless both have a belief. Right, please?

Regards

That is however grasping at straws, @paarsurrey .

It is glossing over the rather plain fact that saying that God exists (at least when it is the very improvable God of the Ibrahimic traditions) is a very bold and unsupported claim, while saying that god does not exist is just a refusal to assume the existence of unevidenced entities. It is simple common sense, simple economy of assumptions.

Not just a false equivalence, but a huge one at that.

 

[Altfish]

My claim was regarding why you believe

I believe The Fall are the best group ever. I have some evidence to back up that claim.

 

[paarsurrey]

I am sure someone has described to you before on these forums the distinction between 'Gnostic Atheism' and 'Agnostic Atheism'. The former, one could say, lives up to your claim. The latter does not. Most atheists are probably on a continuum between the two.

Whatever the stance they have whether it is 'Agnostic Atheism' or 'Gnostic Atheism' or any point in between them, it remains a belief in relation to "God doesn't exist" (and or "God exists"), none of them make science. Right, please?
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheism does NOT have the belief "God does not exist". You can prove a negative. This is what atheist claim what atheism is:

What is Atheism? | American Atheists

"Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods."

I believe whatever position/stance they take it will remains a belief in relation to G-d, believing is a primary natural behavior of humans, they only move from one belief to another belief with or without evidence.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Whatever the stance they have whether it is 'Agnostic Atheism' or 'Gnostic Atheism' or any point in between them, it remains a belief in relation to "God doesn't exist" (and or "God exists"), none of them make science. Right, please?
Regards

God is not a scientific concept, certainly. It is just not well defined enough to be capable of either confirmation or refutation.