hero said:
So if you consider it by what you see from other religious people, have you yourself looked into the meaning of the Christian doctorine?
Yes, I have looked into Christian doctrine.
Past, present, and have a good idea where it is heading in the future.
I`ve said many times before that I have no problem with Jesus, my problem lies in the ways his followers present him.
Something is not true merely because you believe it to be.
Am not I the one preaching logic?
....and listen to logic, which this statement lacks. If it is true...elaborate.
Indeed, but it doesn`t have to be "true" for me to believe it either.
It just has to be evidenced.
And yet again, this has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with rationalism.
When I say that there is no "true" right or wrong I am refering to a frame of reference.
How you see things is affected by where you are watching them from.
The only evidence I can give for elaboration is the differences between global cultures in their levels of tolerance and what will be tolerated.
However, it goes even beyond that as often times members of a culture disagree on what is accepted morality within their own culture.
While within our culture we may all agree on broad concepts of acceptable morality we all differ on different levels of thought.
Your ethical center is not identical to mine, Spookboys is not identical to Pahs, Sunstones is not identical to Victors ad infinitum.
Someone can know what is right and wrong and still not to whats right. Simply because the world reflects evil does not mean they are ignorant. Perhaps if you really think this is true you should do a study over it, because I have already seen it done.
This is why we cannot see eye to eye.
You are thinking in broad generalizations while I`m thinking of shades of grey.
I do not see anything as "Good" or "Bad" because "Good"and "Bad" are both dependent upon the earlier mentioned frame of reference.
That is not logic, and your formula is broken beyond repair
It is logic and it looks solid to me.
My point is that the use of logic is dependent upon these two variables mentioned in Flupkes post....
A has the attribute 'X'
B has the attribute 'not X'
"Logic" in any given situation is dependent upon it`s premises.
Your premises are different from mine which is the root of our trouble communicating.
Niether of our premises are necessarily "Wrong" or "Evil" or even "Good" or "Right".
Either set can be evidenced or not evidenced, rational or not rational, but never "right" "wrong" in the ultimate sense of the concept.