Atheism

[gnomon]

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[javajo]

Ravi Zacharias said:

"There is nothing in history to match the dire ends to which humanity can be led by following a political and social philosophy that consciously and absolutely excludes God."

"I am thoroughly convinced that when the lasts chapter of humanity is written, we will find that the implications of atheism, i.e., living without God, if consistently carried through, will have made life plainly unlivable within the limits of reason or even of common sense."

 

[Walkntune]

Truth.

What is this truth?

 

[Falvlun]

Geesh. I'm just sayin. Anyway, I did come across an interesting revision of the Lord's Prayer. I'm trying to be a little lighter here, so here goes...

Our brethren, who art on earth,
Hallowed be our name,
Our kingdom come, our will be done
On earth, for there is no heaven,
We must get this day our daily bread;
We neither forgive nor are forgiven,
We fear not temptation,
For we deliver ourselves from evil,
For ours is the kingdom and the power
And there is no glory and no forever,
Amen

Well, personally, I think good ole fashioned human forgiveness tends to make more sense than the Christian version, ie, God doesn't just absolve our debt, he makes an innocent person pay it. (This would be like saying "Hey, Johnny, I forgive you for punching me, but in order to do so, I'm going to punch Danny instead. Generally, forgiveness just stops with the "Johnny I forgive you" part.)

And we are responsible for getting our daily bread, even if God is around. If you just sat around praying for bread to poof on your table, you'd starve first.

 

[LuisDantas]

Geesh. I'm just sayin. Anyway, I did come across an interesting revision of the Lord's Prayer. I'm trying to be a little lighter here, so here goes...

Is it that difficult to accept that some people don't need to believe in God?

 

[javajo]

When you feel thankful, though, who do you thank?

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Ravi Zacharias said:

"There is nothing in history to match the dire ends to which humanity can be led by following a political and social philosophy that consciously and absolutely excludes God."

"I am thoroughly convinced that when the lasts chapter of humanity is written, we will find that the implications of atheism, i.e., living without God, if consistently carried through, will have made life plainly unlivable within the limits of reason or even of common sense."

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony

I can quote too! It's fun!

 

[Nepenthe]

Ravi Zacharias said:

"There is nothing in history to match the dire ends to which humanity can be led by following a political and social philosophy that consciously and absolutely excludes God."

"I am thoroughly convinced that when the lasts chapter of humanity is written, we will find that the implications of atheism, i.e., living without God, if consistently carried through, will have made life plainly unlivable within the limits of reason or even of common sense."

Why would you quote a Christian apologist? How is quoting Zacharias relevant to this thread? He's another in a long line of incompetent evangelicals that argue Hitler was a direct consequence of Nietzsche's views (absolute nonsense), Sartre was used as a blueprint for genocide in Africa and Cambodia (that's a new one!), not to mention his laughably ignorant views on evolution. He constructs atheist strawmen arguments like:

"Postulating the nonexistence of God, atheism immediately commits the blunder of absolute negation, which is self-contradictory. For, to sustain the belief that there is no God, it has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge."
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Nope. Maybe he should take a community college philosophy course before he writes another book.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Ravi Zacharias said:

"There is nothing in history to match the dire ends to which humanity can be led by following a political and social philosophy that consciously and absolutely excludes God."

I see your Zacharias and raise you a Weinberg:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
-Steven Weinberg

"I am thoroughly convinced that when the lasts chapter of humanity is written, we will find that the implications of atheism, i.e., living without God, if consistently carried through, will have made life plainly unlivable within the limits of reason or even of common sense."

Hmm. I don't see any rational basis for that assumption whatsoever.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg

Dagnabbit! You're too quick for me!

 

[javajo]

I'm just funnin' y'all.

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
-Steven Weinberg

Quotes! "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God." Luke 18:19

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm just funnin' y'all.

Quotes! "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God." Luke 18:19

Yeah... that's not helping matters. Making obviously false claims and negating the value of people? If you're trying to raise the profile of religion with atheists, you should know that this tactic probably isn't going to work. Not with me, anyhow.

 

[dust1n]

Lol, that's cause you don't have my mojo!

I have a feeling this mojo has little to do with personal metaphysics. :yes:

 

[javajo]

If you're trying to raise the profile of religion with atheists, you should know that this tactic probably isn't going to work. Not with me, anyhow.

For a Religious Forum there sure are a lot of atheists here...

 

[dust1n]

first off thanks for playing-replying
second, I use a public system at the local library which allots me
just an hour so bear with me on the replies as they are
lumped together here.



dust1n—what is that alternative, could it be MORE

Well, there are a lot of options to choose from outside of theocracies.

Seems to me having read the Dawkins Delusion, he had already forgotten

the route taken by those societies which had been pressed into the
MARXIST idiom to destroy everything pertaining to GOD.
I know the church has a long legacy of bloody deeds, but those are
that of men and not GOD..,,,,

pax

Like Sweden.

 

[dust1n]

For a Religious Forum there sure are a lot of atheists here...

Let's take a moment to reflect on why that is... hmm...

 

[dust1n]

With atheism, anything goes. Survival of the fittest. If it feels good, do it. Man can do anything he can get away with. No moral absolutes. It is a downward spiral into chaos. Hopelessness, despair...utter madness.

That's not true at all.

 

[dust1n]

I don't know. As I said, untold millions were murdered (not in war) by atheist dictators in the last century, who made their own rules. They developed a moral system, it was only rational to them. Anyone who got in their way was fair game. Funny thing, at the beginning of the century humanist thinkers believed we were entering an age of utopia where man would evolve into all that he could be and make the perfect world. It just did not turn out that way.

We would of had the anarchists had their way.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Ravi Zacharias said:

"There is nothing in history to match the dire ends to which humanity can be led by following a political and social philosophy that consciously and absolutely excludes God."

"I am thoroughly convinced that when the lasts chapter of humanity is written, we will find that the implications of atheism, i.e., living without God, if consistently carried through, will have made life plainly unlivable within the limits of reason or even of common sense."

Well, he was wrong. And I have the data to back it up.

 

[dust1n]

I know all atheists aren't murderous evil dictators. Many are able to practice a much more moral lifestyle than my own. I'm just saying, it can be a descent into madness if it goes wrong.

Need I remind you the mothers who slaughtered their children claiming God told them to?

Christianity can be a descent into madness if it goes wrong. Which if this is the case, where is the distinction?

If we believe we are an accidental by product of nature, a result of matter, time and chance, what is our reason for existence if all we face is death? If we kill God, we kill ourselves, for if there is no God, life becomes absurd. What meaning has it? Besides, to really say there is no God, we would have to know the whole universe and all its knowledge and we don't. If we did we would be God.

You should read Camus, who addressed these questions in his writing without god or the afterlife.