Atheist takeover...

[Acim]

I am still trying to figure out what is the connection between presenting '50 possible hyphotetical situations' and your search for an atheist that fits in your "low standards". Do you think that someone will eventually fit in them if you keep presenting those imaginary scenarios or something? Is this what you are looking for?

2 people on this thread have aligned with "low opinion of atheists" that I have. I put that in quotes, because even while this thread is hypothetical, it is attempting to draw out principles / beliefs / ideas of atheist types, as wells as agnostics and theists. More emphasis on atheists though.

And in earlier post, Penguin essentially called me out on "low opinion of atheists" -

Wow... you must have a really low opinion of atheists if you could even entertain the notion that we would throw people out to face execution just because we don't like the fact that they're acting all religious.

..."if I could even entertain the notion that we would throw people out to face execution." Like, if I write a fictional novel, made into a big budget movie, the whole tale would have to be understood as "my low opinion of atheists" since, I think the implication is, I won't ever find an atheist who would actually entertain the notion themselves.

Which I found two in this thread.

I would take the ones that ask dumb questions and turn them in for the reward money.

and

Me : - No.
Me : - So don't do it.
Me: - I don't buy it. This sounds like the excuse given by a drug-addicted.
Me: - Sure. The cops will be waiting for you. Bye!

So, "turn them in" and "cops will be waiting for you. Bye" are pretty much aligning with "my low opinion of atheists."

As stated earlier, this is not my only opinion and I have higher opinions that contradict this. But I also have intellectual honesty to say, yes, I have a prejudice in relation to my perception of (some) atheists. A prejudice is perhaps too strong, as I also have experience where atheist types pretty much confirm, to me, "if we could kill the deluded religious people, this world would be a better place." If you are an atheist type that would never ever ever consider that, not even in a hypothetical thread, and would maybe even walk out of a movie where that was being depicted, then my occasional prejudice probably has nothing against you. I believe we would get along fine, and my higher opinions of atheists would be reinforced.

 

[Father Heathen]

So, "turn them in" and "cops will be waiting for you. Bye" are pretty much aligning with "my low opinion of atheists."

lol...wow...

When I said "I would turn them in for asking stupid questions" was obviously a joke referencing you, cupcake.

You presented a ridiculous portrayal of atheists, and when it turned out none fit your preconceived notions it upset you because it challenged your sense of righteousness and superiority.

 

[McBell]

No, it is more a low opinion of atheists, which some people validate. I don't even know if those people are actually atheist.

Seems to me that you just validated that is a low opinion of people.
You just label those you have a low opinion of as atheists regardless of their beliefs...

 

[Acim]

lol...wow...

When I said "I would turn them in for asking stupid questions" was obviously a joke referencing you, cupcake.

Obviously. How could I not see that pumpkin?

You presented a ridiculous portrayal of atheists,

Where?

and when it turned out none fit your preconceived notions it upset you because it challenged your sense of righteousness and superiority.

LOL. I think you actually believe this. Oh, no that's right, you're just joking. It's obvious.

 

[Acim]

Seems to me that you just validated that is a low opinion of people.
You just label those you have a low opinion of as atheists regardless of their beliefs...

More like, because of religion label they chose and/or beliefs they express. Oh, and that they chose to respond to question posed to atheists.

Sorry for being so unreasonable.

 

[McBell]

More like, because of religion label they chose and/or beliefs they express. Oh, and that they chose to respond to question posed to atheists.

Sorry for being so unreasonable.

You back peddle well.
But I am still not buying the snake oil you want to sell.

 

[Acim]

You back peddle well.

I have answered you directly. You are the one 'selling' something.

But I am still not buying the snake oil you want to sell.

You already have it. It was given you. But not by (your perception of) Me.

 

[Koldo]

2 people on this thread have aligned with "low opinion of atheists" that I have. I put that in quotes, because even while this thread is hypothetical, it is attempting to draw out principles / beliefs / ideas of atheist types, as wells as agnostics and theists. More emphasis on atheists though.

...

So, "turn them in" and "cops will be waiting for you. Bye" are pretty much aligning with "my low opinion of atheists."

Fine, but don't quote me out of context.

The hyphotetical conversation was like this:

'Random Theist: - In the meantime, here is a pamphlet about our beliefs. Yeah, it says church is this Saturday night at your house. Hope you don't mind. Everyone is coming!

Me: - Sure. The cops will be waiting for you. Bye!'

If any random person ( a stranger ) suddenly came to my home and told me there were inviting ( many ) people to come over to my house in the saturday night without my permission, i would call the cops instantly. I don't care if they are theists, atheists, lawyers, doctors, or whatever else. It had nothing to do with religion.

As stated earlier, this is not my only opinion and I have higher opinions that contradict this. But I also have intellectual honesty to say, yes, I have a prejudice in relation to my perception of (some) atheists. A prejudice is perhaps too strong, as I also have experience where atheist types pretty much confirm, to me, "if we could kill the deluded religious people, this world would be a better place."

And there are also very very few theists who probably think : If we could kill atheists this world would be a better place.

But so what?

If you are an atheist type that would never ever ever consider that, not even in a hypothetical thread, and would maybe even walk out of a movie where that was being depicted, then my occasional prejudice probably has nothing against you. I believe we would get along fine, and my higher opinions of atheists would be reinforced.

So i shouldn't watch movies that depict slavery, nor murder, nor stealing, among other things because i don't support them, right?

 

[T-Dawg]

The society described in the OP sounds like a utopia to me.

 

[jarofthoughts]

If providing safehouse / refuge to believers (against tyrants) meant they would practice their spirituality under your roof / in your presence, would your reply still be the same?

Yes.

Also, what if it was in vein of them (believers) remaining vigilant for God, and to whatever degree evangelical? Such that, they feel safe in your presence, but given the 'reality' of the time, they feel even more convinced that 'people need saving' and to be made well aware of the Word? You may disagree, and every chance they get, in your presence, they pray for you, and tell you that they are praying for you.

Still not in favour of people being executed for (peacefully) expressing their opinion. It doesn't matter if I think their opinion is stupid.
They get to say what they want and I get to tell them why I think it's dumb.

 

[McBell]

I have answered you directly.

really?
Where?

You are the one 'selling' something.

I ain't selling.
Nor am I buying what you are selling.

It is not my fault that you tipped your hand before you were ready.

You already have it. It was given you. But not by (your perception of) Me.

Your sad attempt at transference is most comical.

 

[Father Heathen]

The society described in the OP sounds like a utopia to me.

So you would condone executing people due to their religious beliefs?

 

[Father Heathen]

Obviously. How could I not see that pumpkin?

Then why did you cite it as an example?

Where?

In your hypothetical questions.

LOL. I think you actually believe this. Oh, no that's right, you're just joking. It's obvious.

You rephrased the question in hopes of getting answers that validated your prejudice.

 

[blackout]

Occultists are usually hidden and solitary anyway...
even in our current society... so......

(occult: hidden/covered)

not much different there.

When you speak in esoteric tongues,
mostly no one notices.

 

[blackout]

*wonders if purple hair dye is considered religious*

 

[idea]

Believers must renounce their belief. To the point where if anyone is caught uttering or practicing some sort of religious ritual or spiritual act, it is crime punishable by death.

I have not read the entire thread, but everyone knows that this is not a thought experiment right? The atheistic communist regime has killed millions for their beliefs... there is currently persecution in atheistic communist countries against religious people...

The atheism in communist regimes has been and continues to be militant atheism and various acts of repression including the razing of thousands of religious buildings and the killing, imprisoning, and oppression of religious leaders and believers.[2] In the atheistic and communist Soviet Union, 44 anti religious museums were opened and the largest was the 'The Museum of the History of Religion and Atheism' in Leningrad’s Kazan cathedral.[3] Despite intense effort by the atheistic leaders of the Soviet Union, their efforts were not effective in converting the masses to atheism.[4][5]
China is a communist country. In 1999, the publication Christian Century reported that "China has persecuted religious believers by means of harassment, prolonged detention, and incarceration in prison or `reform-through-labor' camps and police closure of places of worship." In 2003, owners of Bibles in China were sent to prison camps and 125 Chinese churches were closed.[6] China continues to practice religious oppression today.[7] According to Asian Economic News, in 2004 the atheistic and communist government of China had an internal document which directed the Chinese media to promote atheism, instructed internet media to remove user comments that advocate alternative spiritual views, and called for a ban on publications that disseminate religious material out of step with Marxism or atheism.[8]Christians in China is explosively growing.[9][10] China's state sponsored atheism and atheistic indoctrination has been a failure and a 2007 religious survey in China indicated that only 15% of Chinese identified themselves as atheists.[11]
North Korea is a repressive communist state and is officially atheistic.[12] The North Korean government practices brutal repression and atrocities against North Korean Christians.[13][14]

I believe in capital punishment when talking about those who murder, but if it is just for belief? Let people believe what they want to believe!


http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/28/china.church.crackdown/index.html?hpt=T2
http://books.google.com/books?visbn...k9Hr7Vn222WCHf_1iSJOHVsgo#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/7/120250.shtml


http://bedejournal.blogspot.com/2008/12/merry-anti-christmas.html
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/jssr/2004/00000043/00000001/art00003?crawler=true
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/shows/cwn/2008/August/Christianity-Growing-in-China-/

etc. etc. etc.

 

[blackout]

I'd certainly want to as I'd be utterly opposed to such a government. Whether I could or would is more difficult to answer. I wouldn't know who to trust or what to do for people. I could provide a room and some food, but how do I know if I'm sheltering a victim of persecution or if I'm sheltering a robber, rapist or government agent looking to see who would shelter theists?

I have a general distrust of people that would be extremely difficult to overcome despite wanting to oppose such a government. I'd be more inclined to work against the government rather than work for the victims if that makes sense?

... and what about YOU mr. purple (ie, theist)?

You can come on over and live with me.
(we'll hide each other- in the dark, and in plain sight)

 

[Acim]

Fine, but don't quote me out of context.

I apologize if you felt this way, but I really didn't think I was.

The hyphotetical conversation was like this:

'Random Theist: - In the meantime, here is a pamphlet about our beliefs. Yeah, it says church is this Saturday night at your house. Hope you don't mind. Everyone is coming!

Me: - Sure. The cops will be waiting for you. Bye!'

If any random person ( a stranger ) suddenly came to my home and told me there were inviting ( many ) people to come over to my house in the saturday night without my permission, i would call the cops instantly. I don't care if they are theists, atheists, lawyers, doctors, or whatever else. It had nothing to do with religion.

Within context of this thread, that surprises me (or is contrary to my high opinions of atheist types). In context of modern day society, outside of this forum, I can relate to your desire to call in TPTB to deal with perceived intruders. Knowing such an offense isn't likely to be met with death penalty for those involved.

So i shouldn't watch movies that depict slavery, nor murder, nor stealing, among other things because i don't support them, right?

Up to you. I don't have issue with entertaining yourself with things that may appear to go against your "better judgment." In fact, I would probably encourage it, given context you are stating (movies that depict).

 

[Acim]

Still not in favour of people being executed for (peacefully) expressing their opinion. It doesn't matter if I think their opinion is stupid.
They get to say what they want and I get to tell them why I think it's dumb.

Thank you for taking the time to answer the inquiry directly.

Much appreciated.

 

[Draka]

For theists: Do you relinquish your beliefs in such a way where you never, ever talk about it, except with most trusted comrades? Or perhaps not at all? Do you restrict yourself from any sort of congregations, rituals, acts (like prayer, meditation, etc.)? Or do you possibly go out in blaze of glory sticking strongly / proudly to your faith, and say openly practice until 'they' come to take you away?

Ah, good ol times. witch hunts, only for everyone who believes in anything. how nice.

I'm not stupid. I have a family. I'm not about to put myself out there waving my religion around to get myself locked up or killed. I honestly wouldn't have to do anything much different than now. Keep my pentacle tucked inside my shirt or not wear it at certain times in case there would be a chance of it coming out. I'm a solitary, so I practice in my home. Unless people were sneaking around and and trying to peak in my windows through my blinds on midnight during Esbats, there's nothing that would catch people's eyes really.