Atheist trying to convert Theist!

[Gloone]

You act as if emotion and thought always have to be fighting each other. I say however that they often agree on many things. I have a feeling that drives me to seek truth, but this emotion is not the one that actually seeks truth or formulates my ideas and arguments. Thought and analysis are the ones that seek truth, emotion only encourages them.

Sometimes I feel like ignoring an opposing argument because by admitting I was wrong about it would make me lose face, however my intellectual and emotional conviction to seek truth overpowers it most of the time. I do admit there have been instances where these have failed.

I have noticed that you have never made any original arguments yourself. All you do is critique the arguments of others. You have ignored arguments that I have successfully made that are actually more to the point than the ones you are focusing on. I think that I have proven my point that argument can be made for the reason of convincing.

The brain can control emotions. That doesn't mean the brain is susceptible to those emotions. Sometimes people can act without reason is what I was trying too get across. Link your arguments then or refer to post if you feel you have made a valid argument.

 

[Gloone]

And ALL of that experience and information is stored in the brain. You speak of programming the brain, but you use the brain to program it.

Even your very emotions are dependent on specific brain functions.

If the soul exists, the brain is where it would have to be located.

You are not thinking passively. You are only thinking rationally.

 

[waitasec]

No debate is not about converting people. It is about expressing a point of view.

what is the point of expressing the rational supporting your point of view then?

 

[Skwim]

Demonic style tactics is what people use when they have a point to convey and they will use any means necessary to do it.

Really! Boy, to me "demonic" suggests a lot more than simply "any means." To me "demonic" suggests

1. of, relating to, or characteristic of a demon; fiendish
2. inspired or possessed by a demon, or seemingly so
extremely evil or cruel; expressive of cruelty or befitting hell;

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Moreover, "any means" includes not only spurious and fallacious means, but valid and just means as well. So exactly what "any means" are these that appear so fiendish, evil, cruel, or hellish to you? Or are you just being pejorative here?

 

[Riverwolf]

Sometimes people can act without reason is what I was trying too get across.

All acts, whether reasonable or not, use the brain. That's what we're trying to get across.

I know what you've been trying to say. I've been trying to help you be more tactical with your choice of words.

 

[Riverwolf]

You are not thinking passively. You are only thinking rationally.

Yes, I know. Passive thinking got me into a self-made religion back in the day, and terrible superstition more recently, and all throughout this, low self-esteem.

I'll take rational thinking over passive thinking any day.

 

[Gloone]

Good lord just forget it.

 

[Gloone]

Waste of time trying to reason with any of you.

 

[Dan4reason]

The brain can control emotions. That doesn't mean the brain is susceptible to those emotions. Sometimes people can act without reason is what I was trying too get across. Link your arguments then or refer to post if you feel you have made a valid argument.

I never said that we won't make decisions based on emotion. I only say that debate is primarily about what we think is true or our ideas.

Debate can be a good and positive thing when used to try to convince others in a respectful manner. I see nothing wrong with atheists trying to convince theists. What is the harm in that?

 

[Riverwolf]

Waste of time trying to reason with any of you.

I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem has been communication.

 

[Riverwolf]

I see nothing wrong with atheists trying to convince theists. What is the harm in that?

Depends on what atheists are trying to convince theists of.

 

[Gloone]

I never said that we won't make decisions based on emotion. I only say that debate is primarily about what we think is true or our ideas.

Debate can be a good and positive thing when used to try to convince others in a respectful manner. I see nothing wrong with atheists trying to convince theists. What is the harm in that?

Absolutely nothing. There is nothing wrong when an atheist can present a valid argument and I would encourage it but I don't see the argument as being valid when an atheist tries to rub someones face in the dirt for being a reluctant to their beliefs.

 

[Penumbra]

Without examples this thread is mainly a strawman at this point.

Sure, ridiculing occurs on all sides of basically any debate, and duh, it's poor tactic.

 

[Gloone]

Without examples this thread is mainly a strawman at this point.

Sure, ridiculing occurs on all sides of basically any debate, and duh, it's poor tactic.

okay well I declare all out warfare then on these forums as far as these forums go.

 

[Gloone]

Theist are limited to positivism and atheist just try to discredit everything.

 

[Father Heathen]

okay well I declare all out warfare then on these forums as far as these forums go.

:knight:

 

[Riverwolf]

Theist are limited to positivism and atheist just try to discredit everything.

Sweeping generalization. Neither of those are necessarily true.

Remember, I am a theist.

 

[Father Heathen]

Theist are limited to positivism and atheist just try to discredit everything.

No, just they aim for honesty and accuracy. Nothing negative about that, although I'm sure many don't appreciate being dragged from the comfortable womb of willful and blissful ignorance, even though it's not done out of malice, but rather for people's own good.

For the record, I have nothing against belief in god in and of itself. It's how people portray god and the things that they attribute to god (religion) that I take issue with.

 

[Gloone]

Sweeping generalization. Neither of those are necessarily true.

Remember, I am a theist.

Thankfully you don't limit your perspective. I wish more theist would do the same.

 

[Dan4reason]

Absolutely nothing. There is nothing wrong when an atheist can present a valid argument and I would encourage it but I don't see the argument as being valid when an atheist tries to rub someones face in the dirt for being a reluctant to their beliefs.

I don't like that either. I also don't like it when theists do this. Especially when they say things like "Waste of time trying to reason with any of you" (post 68) or "That is about the dumbest thing I have ever herd" (post 40).