Atheistic Religions

[waitasec]

You're just trying too hard now.

If it is aimed at your fellowman....it's social.

what if it's aimed for the here and now?

If it's aimed at the next life and God...it's religion.

not exclusively...

if it's aimed to improve oneself, it is not about god now is it?

 

[Thief]

what if it's aimed for the here and now?

if it's aimed to improve oneself, it is not about god now is it?

How about?....interactive.

You don't pray to yourself or your fellowman....or do you?
Kneel to someone else's authority?

Or perhaps you reserve such behavior...for God?

oh...that's right....you're just asking....you don't believe.

 

[waitasec]

How about?....interactive.

You don't pray to yourself or your fellowman....or do you?
Kneel to someone else's authority?

Or perhaps you reserve such behavior...for God?

oh...that's right....you're just asking....you don't believe.

meditation (prayer) is self reflection
in the most honest place one can be to live up to the courage of ones convictions...
and it's done with ones own admission not elicited

besides, anyone who values integrity and self dignity has no choice but to search out ones own truth...

 

[Thief]

meditation (prayer) is self reflection
in the most honest place one can be to live up to the courage of ones convictions...
and it's done with ones own admission not elicited

besides, anyone who values integrity and self dignity has no choice but to search out ones own truth...

Meditation and prayer are not the same thing.

Self centered efforts are good....but terminal.

 

[Orias]

You're just trying too hard now.

I wonder exactly what type of discussion you think we are having.

If it is aimed at your fellowman....it's social.
If it's aimed at the next life and God...it's religion.

Any activity pursued with zeal is religious, even if it is aimed at social standards.

 

[waitasec]

Meditation and prayer are not the same thing.

Self centered efforts are good....but terminal.

from my perspective prayer is a self centered effort...otherwise, what is it's purpose?

 

[Orias]

from my perspective prayer is a self centered effort...otherwise, what is it's purpose?

Self deceit

Who knows, its like any other act done out of pure will.

Last time I checked, any willful act is done to gain Self gratification, even if it appears to be a Selfless motive.

 

[waitasec]

Self deceit

Who knows, its like any other act done out of pure will.

Last time I checked, any willful act is done to gain Self gratification, even if it appears to be a Selfless motive.

hmmm,
or maybe self justification (or is that the same thing ). either way, some cannot look at wanting to live eternally in paradise as a selfish motive...it is what it is...survival (being saved)of the fittest, either imagined or not

 

[Troy Barnard]

You're just trying too hard now.

If it is aimed at your fellowman....it's social.
If it's aimed at the next life and God...it's religion.

I suppose if makes it easier for you......

I aim my handiwork at my fellow man.....however....

I am not religious.
I follow no congregation.
I have no following.

When I turn my thoughts toward God....I call that spiritual.
I have no practice to make....
I have no prayers to recite.
I have no creed beyond....
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

An atheist could perform likewise....
but his aim is here in this life....
and he will proceed no further.

Actually the way I read the new testament there's a little more to it:

Turn The Other Cheek
Walk The Extra Mile
Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You
Love Thy Neighbor
Love Thine Enemies
Pray For Those Who Curse And Despise You
If Sued In Court For Coat Voluntarily Give Cloak Also
Sell What You Have And Give It To The Poor
Take No Thought For Tomorrow(401K anyone?)
Be Ye Therefore Perfect Even As The Father Is Perfect

Add the tithe plus gifts for the church and VOILA!

Using those guidelines I've never met a Christian...'course I'm just 77 years old.

 

[waitasec]

Actually the way I read the new testament there's a little more to it:

Turn The Other Cheek
Walk The Extra Mile
Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You
Love Thy Neighbor
Love Thine Enemies
Pray For Those Who Curse And Despise You
If Sued In Court For Coat Voluntarily Give Cloak Also
Sell What You Have And Give It To The Poor
Take No Thought For Tomorrow(401K anyone?)
Be Ye Therefore Perfect Even As The Father Is Perfect

Add the tithe plus gifts for the church and VOILA!

Using those guidelines I've never met a Christian...'course I'm just 77 years old.

:biglaugh:

frubals!!!

 

[Orias]

hmmm,
or maybe self justification (or is that the same thing ).

Ha, justice.

I think "self comforting" applies more accurately, since it really does no justice to the Self, except for the Self comforting of course, but then again it may not always be sincere or true.

either way, some cannot look at wanting to live eternally in paradise as a selfish motive...it is what it is...survival (being saved)of the fittest, either imagined or not

Meh, most people are psychologically starved (in different Aspects of course) so I would agree.

Bazinga :beach:

 

[Thief]

Actually the way I read the new testament there's a little more to it:

And I don't read it like most Christians.
Take a look at some of the other postings I've done.

Using those guidelines I've never met a Christian...'course I'm just 77 years old.

Though the Carpenter is my inspiration.....
I don't label myself Christian.
Note my banner.

And yea....religion is aimed at the after life.

If not...it's not a religion.
Just another social practice.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

:biglaugh:

frubals!!!

Lol, Ikr.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Though the Carpenter is my inspiration.....
I don't label myself Christian.
Note my banner.

And yea....religion is aimed at the after life.

If not...it's not a religion.
Just another social practice.

Are you now claiming all religions believe in an afterlife?

 

[Thief]

Are you now claiming all religions believe in an afterlife?

I'm still using the copy of Webster's I have here at hand.

And without belief in an afterlife....
religion would be belief in yourself and your fellowman?
Leave God out of it?

And your faith would be in your fellowman?

That would be a social grace...not a spiritual one.

 

[Orias]

I'm still using the copy of Webster's I have here at hand.

And without belief in an afterlife....
religion would be belief in yourself and your fellowman?
Leave God out of it?

And your faith would be in your fellowman?

That would be a social grace...not a spiritual one.

Doesn't matter, religion is defined differently in every dictionary but the common principle is that it is an activity pursued with conscientious devotion.

If a majority of the worlds population knew what it actually was to be spiritual then a majority of the worlds popluation wouldn't succumb to being mind slaves of the social sanctions and inhibitions of religious pleasantries.

Social grace, spiritual grace, none of these define religion, as it is an Aspect that consumes the populus of spiritual and non-spiritual people.

Afterlifes are only Aspects that are devulged by the zealous. Here and now are Aspects that are devulged by the zealous as well, so One religion provides cases within both the afterlife and non-afterlife, because some religions only focus on the life we have now, giving little meaning to our after!

 

[Thief]

Doesn't matter,

Yes it does.

religion is defined differently in every dictionary but the common principle is that it is an activity pursued with conscientious devotion.

The common 'principle' is ...God.
And an activity of devotion is anything at all.....a hobby....love.

If a majority of the worlds population knew what it actually was to be spiritual then a majority of the worlds popluation wouldn't succumb to being mind slaves of the social sanctions and inhibitions of religious pleasantries.

Too much assumption and a poor perspective of people having faith.

Social grace, spiritual grace, none of these define religion, as it is an Aspect that consumes the populus of spiritual and non-spiritual people.

Now you appear to be confused....can't you tell one from the other?

Afterlifes are only Aspects that are devulged by the zealous. Here and now are Aspects that are devulged by the zealous as well, so One religion provides cases within both the afterlife and non-afterlife, because some religions only focus on the life we have now, giving little meaning to our after!

You're just lumping everyone into the same pit....and denying definition and
distinctions.

You won't get anywhere this way.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You're just lumping everyone into the same pit....and denying definition and
distinctions.

You won't get anywhere this way.

I think you are the one denying definition, my friend.

 

[Thief]

I think you are the one denying definition, my friend.

I'll stick to my Webster's.....I got it right here.

 

[Willamena]

Are you now claiming all religions believe in an afterlife?

Even Carl Sagan's religion of "star stuff" does.