Atheists are animals

[blü 2]

and after the last breath.....

we become what we REALLY are

and it won't be animal

Well, if a dead animal is no longer an animal, then since it isn't really vegetable, despite some spores here and there, that leaves mineral.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are so right we will return to the earth. Unless you have some fantasy that you are doing somewhere else.

I was thinking the Bahamas might be nice.

 

[Valjean]

and after the last breath.....

we become what we REALLY are

and it won't be animal

Back to dust, then?

 

[Jumi]

It's an old insult that someone is an animal, as opposed to the nobler qualities a human can have. Yet at least we're all human animals, believers and non-believers are much the same.

 

[HonestJoe]

the quote you clipped was someone else's stand point....that I was describing

I got that, my point was that their statement (or at least your interpretation of it) was fundamentally flawed which means your response to it is irrelevant.

 

[Thief]

so....non-believers ARE animals
and give no discretion that believers can be something more

 

[HonestJoe]

so....non-believers ARE animals
and give no discretion that believers can be something more

All humans are animals. Whether we believe, in something specific or in anything, is entirely irrelevant to this simple question. This is a basic biological fact based on the simple definition of the word animal. Your attempt to spin this is to something about belief is a theological fraud that you should be embarrassed by.

 

[Thief]

All humans are animals. Whether we believe, in something specific or in anything, is entirely irrelevant to this simple question. This is a basic biological fact based on the simple definition of the word animal. Your attempt to spin this is to something about belief is a theological fraud that you should be embarrassed by.

nay.....this form we call human produces unique spirit on each occasion

what happens to that spirit after your last breath makes all the difference

but.....if you insist.....you can be dust
like the rest of the animals

 

[HonestJoe]

nay.....this form we call human produces unique spirit on each occasion
what happens to that spirit after your last breath makes all the difference

You’re entitled to believe that but even if it were true, it still wouldn’t change any of the characteristics that make us all animals. An animal with a soul would still be an animal.

 

[metis]

If im correct Genesis tells us that animals have souls as well. I have to do a Hebrew word for word study to check the translations.

This is why i also ask why we are killing animals and eating them. In Genesis we did eat from the 'green herbs' (out of the top of my head), both animals and humans.

The belief by some in Judaism is that when the Messiah comes that we on Earth will revert back to not eating flesh again. Torah does not demand we do it now, nor do the gospels.

 

[Thief]

You’re entitled to believe that but even if it were true, it still wouldn’t change any of the characteristics that make us all animals. An animal with a soul would still be an animal.

ooops......

Beauty and the Beast is not just a fairy tale

 

[Thief]

The belief by some in Judaism is that when the Messiah comes that we on Earth will revert back to not eating flesh again. Torah does not demand we do it now, nor do the gospels.

sorry.....not buying that

seems there is a long standing practice of offering a fatted calf

heaven on a veggie diet?

and we have canine teeth

 

[metis]

sorry.....not buying that

seems there is a long standing practice of offering a fatted calf

heaven on a veggie diet?

and we have canine teeth

I was just parroting what's found in the scriptures dealing with this according to some and why they believe as such. Eating the "fatted calf" was only a concession by God after the Flood according to Genesis.

 

[Thief]

I was just parroting what's found in the scriptures dealing with this according to some and why they believe as such. Eating the "fatted calf" was only a concession by God after the Flood according to Genesis.

and the return of the Prodigal Son.....

 

[Thief]

and again.....a burnt offering ......
the smell of the fat as a ......sweet savor

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I suspect animals have social abilities, politics economics maybe even a god just not as on a grand of a scale as man.

This is a great point.

• Social - that animals are social with one another simply can't be denied
• Political - a lion pride, as an example, has a very definitive set of political guidelines in play
• Economic - even a squirrel hiding away his nuts for the winter is practicing economics
• Religious - my honest opinion is that the animals are a bit better off in this area than we are, by the looks of things

@Thief - I can't help it - the denial of humans being "animals" always seems motivated by pride to me. You don't want to think yourself as "lowly" as an animal - which is bunk. A gorilla has the strength to tear your limbs off. Any common fish can breathe underwater. Birds (most of them anyway) can fly, for goodness sake. Who has a breadth of knowledge and experience wide enough to state that human intelligence and opposable thumbs are the end-all-beat-all BEST attribute to have among all the animal kingdom? YOU? Seriously... don't make me laugh.

 

[Thief]

You don't want to think yourself as "lowly" as an animal - which is bunk.

consider the pending moment.....when you sit at the Table beside the angelic.....

They lost their brothers to an argument about something that looks like .....us
on third of heaven lost their positions for that same argument.....about us

and the angelic should share bread and wine......with a talking ape

and be happy about it?

see ....the Wedding Feast
a parable by the Carpenter

 

[leibowde84]

don't knee jerk
It came up in another thread

seems at least one member here insists that we are animals
all of us
no matter what

animals are our equals.....no matter what
we are not greater than animals .....no matter what

and I posted in return.....
to be no more than animal.....I would need to surrender
my social abilities
my politics
my economics
and my .....God

so......redirecting and redrawing the line at hand

are non-believers.....animals?

Human beings are animals. We are part of the Great Ape family. We are, to the best of our knowledge, the only animals who currently participate in politics, economics, etc., but many other animals have various social abilities. Your feelings, beliefs, or animosity toward the idea of being mere animals does not provide any support for your argument that we are not. Human beings are most definitely animals. Belief has nothing to do with it.

 

[Thief]

Human beings are animals. We are part of the Great Ape family. We are, to the best of our knowledge, the only animals who currently participate in politics, economics, etc., but many other animals have various social abilities. Your feelings, beliefs, or animosity toward the idea of being mere animals does not provide any support for your argument that we are not. Human beings are most definitely animals. Belief has nothing to do with it.

you assume too much of my feelings

did you note the previous post?

 

[leibowde84]

you assume too much of my feelings

did you note the previous post?

Sure. It seems like you are incorrectly assuming that for some reason a story written thousands of years ago somehow provides evidence for your argument. Am I accurate in that assumption? Btw, I would absolutely love "sharing the kingdom" with animals ... it wouldn't be "heaven" without them, imho.