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Atheists are not nearly as rationional as some think.

siti

Well-Known Member
After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons.
I am, I am, I might be and it is. Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they can't take a (possibly) scientific and (certainly) rational interest in religion and/or religious debates and discussions. Frankly, I think we need more objective observation in the study of the phenomena of religion and 'spirituality'. Informally, RF provides a crude 'lab bench' for amateur 'scientists of religion' to make observations and to prod and probe a little here and there, albeit with somewhat blunt and imprecise instruments.
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Apologies, I was trying to be funny... atheists of course couldn't change their minds if there is no free will.
Actually, the one does not follow from the other.

Everyone changes their minds, atheists or otherwise. That is plenty well established.

Whether that connects with the mythical "free will" is the tricky part.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Interesting article in a science mag!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-09-atheists-rational.amp


Atheists aren not nearly as rational at some think they are. So says the article..... I have been saying that here on RF since i started . After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons. Maybe atheists can give some non rational reasons why they are here. Then again that might be like asking a religious creationist to give a rational explanation for 7 day creation!!!!!!!

I can only imagine for some its a sense of superior reasoning over religion. Then again thats a bit like picking on the disabled so its only for gratification of the ego and that specifically is Not rational but rationalizing. .lots of that goes on here to say the least.
Both this and the article linked suffer from some rather serious, disconnected mistakes about the nature and consequences of the very core concepts mentioned.

Whatever is being discussed isn't very likely to be found in this world that we live in. But I suppose that, once clarified and well described, it could make a superb part of some fictional world for an intriguing fantasy series.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Interesting article in a science mag!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-09-atheists-rational.amp


Atheists aren not nearly as rational at some think they are. So says the article.....

Sure, but that's hardly relevatory. Atheists are people, with all the variance and fallability that entails.

I have been saying that here on RF since i started . After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons. Maybe atheists can give some non rational reasons why they are here. Then again that might be like asking a religious creationist to give a rational explanation for 7 day creation!!!!!!!

I don't suggest conflating 'science' and 'rationality' in the way you seem to be. But the majority of my fellow humans are theists, and understanding their point of views could be considered social science, or psychology if you really need a science bucket to drop it in.


I can only imagine for some its a sense of superior reasoning over religion.

For some, I guess. Humans, and varied, remember??


Then again thats a bit like picking on the disabled so its only for gratification of the ego and that specifically is Not rational but rationalizing. .lots of that goes on here to say the least.

Hmmm...I'm trying to work out where you split the two and how your OP fits in to that.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It said, roughly, that credulity is not limited to theists, and that not all atheist positions are thought through. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that's correct ─ what would it tell us about the correctness of either view? About whether the concept of a real god is incoherent, for example?

Atheists are not nearly as rational at some think they are. So says the article..... I have been saying that here on RF since i started.
Then please give us an example that demonstrates that gods have objective existence, or don't. Let's keep to what's relevant to the question, and not worry about what can be misunderstood or asserted on no other ground than like or dislike.
After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons.
I like rational discussions. I enjoy both the trading of information, and the occasions of debate. That doesn't necessarily involve science, but it certainly can.
I can only imagine for some its a sense of superior reasoning over religion.
What if it's a quest for the right concepts to make accurate statements about reality? Truth, in other words?
Then again thats a bit like picking on the disabled so its only for gratification of the ego and that specifically is Not rational but rationalizing. .lots of that goes on here to say the least.
That sounds like a cheap self-congratulatory shot to me. Perhaps you'd like to present it as an evidence-based reasoned argument instead? Then we could have an intelligent discussion about it, no?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Interesting article in a science mag!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-09-atheists-rational.amp


Atheists aren not nearly as rational at some think they are. So says the article..... I have been saying that here on RF since i started . After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons. Maybe atheists can give some non rational reasons why they are here. Then again that might be like asking a religious creationist to give a rational explanation for 7 day creation!!!!!!!

I can only imagine for some its a sense of superior reasoning over religion. Then again thats a bit like picking on the disabled so its only for gratification of the ego and that specifically is Not rational but rationalizing. .lots of that goes on here to say the least.

Ontological naturalism/atheism, in my understanding, is irrational because it, instead of explaining, explains away the recollection that I have of ‘what it was like’ of the first kiss.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Interesting article in a science mag!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-09-atheists-rational.amp


Atheists aren not nearly as rational at some think they are. So says the article..... I have been saying that here on RF since i started . After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons. Maybe atheists can give some non rational reasons why they are here. Then again that might be like asking a religious creationist to give a rational explanation for 7 day creation!!!!!!!

I can only imagine for some its a sense of superior reasoning over religion. Then again thats a bit like picking on the disabled so its only for gratification of the ego and that specifically is Not rational but rationalizing. .lots of that goes on here to say the least.

Gratification of the ego? It would be like being gratified by showing that black cats crossing roads is uncorrelated with future bad things happening. Or that homeopathy is nonsense. These are such obvious things that it would be a quite small ego to be gratified, indeed.

No, we are here to help, mainly. :)

Ciao

- viole
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
If science could prove people don't have free will would atheists believe it or not?

I'm trying to imagine how that would be proved.

But yes, if it was proven scientifically, I would believe it, after looking at the evidence used.

But then, I suspect the question of free will is too ill-posed to be amenable to proof or disproof.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Apologies, I was trying to be funny... atheists of course couldn't change their minds if there is no free will.


Why would you think that? If there was no free will, they (we) would be forced to change their minds, right?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Atheists are predestined to be here, but don't tell them that they will be mad. :)
As one who can neither prove nor disprove either free will or predestination,
I wouldn't anger because of anyone's speculations on those matters.
I gots no dog in that fight.

It's rational to be an atheist, but that doesn't necessarily mean that atheists
are rational in other areas. Similarly, irrational belief in sky fairies doesn't
prevent believers from being quite rational about other things.
 

JoshuaTree

Flowers are red?
I'm trying to imagine how that would be proved.

But yes, if it was proven scientifically, I would believe it, after looking at the evidence used.

But then, I suspect the question of free will is too ill-posed to be amenable to proof or disproof.

But if it was proven scientifically that there is no free will and you didn't believe it... you couldn't change your mind regardless of the evidence provided. :)
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
But if it was proven scientifically that there is no free will and you didn't believe it... you couldn't change your mind regardless of the evidence provided. :)

Alternatively, if the evidence was of sufficient force, I'd have no choice but to change my mind. If it isn't enough, I'd have no choice but to not believe it.
 
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