Atheists are not nearly as rationional as some think.

[viole]

Over the top sarcasm does not add to the discussion.

Sarcasm? I would never do that. Believe me, all my claims are filtered through my logical engines, and I would never compare a claim with another with much less plausibility and evidence.

You seem to have a bias against fairies having been created the Universe that I have problems to understand. You seem to think that the fairies theory is a ridicule of whatever you might think is true, while, I am afraid, they have the same objective evidence. This way of thinking is the source of oppression and intolerance, I am afraid.

Unless you think that the Universe being created by a God is more plausible than a Universe being created by fairies.
I am very interested to see where you have the evidence that the former is more likely of of the latter. Or are you agnostic about that?

In other words: if I were a strong believer in Universes being created by fairies, I would consider sarcastic any claim that speaks of creations of Gods and stuff. Especially claims like such God spawning Himself to generate a son to take a weekend off for our sins, or other equally weird and ridiculous claims.

How would you reject accusations of ridicule or sarcasm in this case, given the available evidence?

Ciao

- viole

 

[shunyadragon]

Sarcasm? I would never do that. Believe me, all my claims are filtered through my logical engines, and I would never compare a claim with another with much less plausibility.

Unless you think that the Universe being created by a God is more plausible than a Universe being created by fairies.
I am very interested to see where you have the evidence that the former is more likely of of the latter. Or are you agnostic about that?

In other words: if I were a strong believer in Universes being created by fairies, I would consider sarcastic any claim that speaks of creations of Gods and stuff. Especially claims like such God spawning Himself to generate a son to take a weekend off for our sins, or other equally weird claims.

How would you reject accusations of ridicule or sarcasm in this case, given the available evidence?

Ciao

- viole

There is no available evidence.

 

[viole]

There is no available evidence.

That God created the Universe?
Or that fairies created the Universe?

Since I doubt you can find more evidence for the former, I wonder where your accusations of sarcasm come from.

You have not been very ecumenic, I am afraid.

Ciao

- viole

 

[shunyadragon]

That God created the Universe?
Or that fairies created the Universe?

Since I doubt you can find more evidence for the former, I wonder where your claims of sarcasm come from.

Ciao

- viole

There is no objective verifiable evidence either way.

 

[viole]

There is no objective verifiable evidence either way.

Cool.

So, why are you telling me that I am being sarcastic?

Ciao

- viole

 

[shunyadragon]

Cool.

So, why are you telling me that I am being sarcastic?

Ciao

- viole

Not really cool, because it confirms your claim is based on a philosophical/theological assumption and not evidence.

. . . because you were being sarcastic.

 

[viole]

. . . because you were being sarcastic.

How so? Give me an example.

Ciao

- viole

 

[shunyadragon]

How so? Give me an example.

Ciao

- viole

To add: Not really cool, because it confirms your claim is based on a philosophical/theological assumption and not evidence.

Not necessary, just read your own posts, they are dripping sarcasm and paper cut out fairies.

 

[viole]

To add: Not really cool, because it confirms your claim is based on a philosophical/theological assumption and not evidence.

Not necessary, just read your own posts, they are dripping sarcasm and paper cut out fairies.

You are evading. Give me an example. A concrete one, please. Accusing is easy, but show me some evidence that your accusations are justified.

You said none of the scenarios can be proven true/false. So, ceteris paribus, I could equally say you are being sarcastic. You think gods are more serious than fairies, or what is your problem?

Or do you see some thing that might tilt any of these arguments in your direction?

Ciao

- viole

 

[shunyadragon]

You are evading. Give me an example. A concrete one, please. Accusing is easy, but show me some evidence that your accusations are justified.

"Sarcasm? I would never do that. Believe me, all my claims are filtered through my logical engines, and I would never compare a claim with another with much less plausibility and evidence.

You seem to have a bias against fairies having been created the Universe that I have problems to understand. You seem to think that the fairies theory is a ridicule of whatever you might think is true, while, I am afraid, they have the same objective evidence. This way of thinking is the source of oppression and intolerance, I am afraid.

Unless you think that the Universe being created by a God is more plausible than a Universe being created by fairies.
I am very interested to see where you have the evidence that the former is more likely of of the latter. Or are you agnostic about that?

In other words: if I were a strong believer in Universes being created by fairies, I would consider sarcastic any claim that speaks of creations of Gods and stuff. Especially claims like such God spawning Himself to generate a son to take a weekend off for our sins, or other equally weird and ridiculous claims."
]

 

[viole]

To add: Not really cool, because it confirms your claim is based on a philosophical/theological assumption and not evidence.

I admitted that. I have some fairological assumptions that make me conclude that no fairy created the Universe. I have no evidence, I admitted that. I have no evidence whatsoever that the Universe has not be created by God or some garden fairy. Or any other magical being. I cannot even prove that it has not been created by Mickey Mouse or Superman, which are equally entitled given the evidence.

What do you need more from me, other than recognizing that I have no evidence whatsoever for my claims concerning the no-god, no-fairy, no-whatever-fantasy-agent origin of the Universe?

Do you want me to be agnostic about Mickey Mouse, Gods, fairies and Superman? I will have to be equally agnostic about them, since I cannot possibly see one being more plausible than the other. Unless you show me how.

Not necessary, just read your own posts, they are dripping sarcasm and paper cut out fairies.

I refuse to accept that. Show me where I made sarcasm by invoking things that have less evidence or are more ridiculous of what you probably believe in, and I will apologize. Unfortunately, I fail to see where that might be.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

"Sarcasm? I would never do that. Believe me, all my claims are filtered through my logical engines, and I would never compare a claim with another with much less plausibility and evidence.

You seem to have a bias against fairies having been created the Universe that I have problems to understand. You seem to think that the fairies theory is a ridicule of whatever you might think is true, while, I am afraid, they have the same objective evidence. This way of thinking is the source of oppression and intolerance, I am afraid.

Unless you think that the Universe being created by a God is more plausible than a Universe being created by fairies.
I am very interested to see where you have the evidence that the former is more likely of of the latter. Or are you agnostic about that?

In other words: if I were a strong believer in Universes being created by fairies, I would consider sarcastic any claim that speaks of creations of Gods and stuff. Especially claims like such God spawning Himself to generate a son to take a weekend off for our sins, or other equally weird and ridiculous claims."
]

Is that a reply to my post?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Milton Platt]

Like music eh!!!!

Yes, I like music, gardening, fishing, camping, traveling, and perhaps a few things that should not be discussed here. LOL

 

[shunyadragon]

Is that a reply to my post?

Ciao

- viole

Yes.

Again . . . To add: Not really cool, because it confirms your claim is based on a philosophical/theological assumption and not evidence.

 

[paarsurrey]

Interesting article in a science mag!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2018-09-atheists-rational.amp

Atheists aren not nearly as rational at some think they are. So says the article..... I have been saying that here on RF since i started . After all if you are in "religUS forums" reading this article and an atheist, it certainly is not for scientific rational reasons. Maybe atheists can give some non rational reasons why they are here. Then again that might be like asking a religious creationist to give a rational explanation for 7 day creation!!!!!!!

I can only imagine for some its a sense of superior reasoning over religion. Then again thats a bit like picking on the disabled so its only for gratification of the ego and that specifically is Not rational but rationalizing. .lots of that goes on here to say the least.

"Atheists aren't not nearly as rational as some think they are." Unquote.
Atheists aren't not nearly as rational as they think they are.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The statement that a 'belief system is ' not as rational as some think,' is not meaningful and has anecdotal and subjective assumptions as to 'what people think,' Everyone believes that their 'belief system' is rational, but the reality is that there is a degree of selfish rationalizing to conclude what one believes.

To what degree one has selfish motives for justifying what one believes is the question?

The problem with most traditional Theist beliefs is there are very strong motive of a sense of community and belong that are not rational.

This brings to mind the thread 'What is Blind Faith?'

"This brings to mind the thread 'What is Blind Faith?' "

So, what is Blind Faith, please?
Regards

 

[shunyadragon]

"This brings to mind the thread 'What is Blind Faith?' "

So, what is Blind Faith, please?
Regards

Blind Faith is when one's belief is beyond question.

 

[shunyadragon]

So cut the crap about atheism being a belief system

SO! Cur the crap about Atheism not being a belief system.

 

[lukethethird]

SO! Cur the crap about Atheism not being a belief system.

Well, there's an argument. [/sarcasm]

 

[shunyadragon]

Well, there's an argument. [/sarcasm]

We have a flock of militant fundamentalist atheists on board here.