Audie
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YepAll i ask is valid evidence. If that is impossible to provide then i rest my case.
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YepAll i ask is valid evidence. If that is impossible to provide then i rest my case.
No. Things get selected with no consciousness or awareness at all.Selection denotes consciousness. So if you (and Darwin) think the environment is conscious, that's your (conscious) selection.
No. Things get selected or sorted with no consciousness or awareness at all. Purely mechanical mechanisms can select.Selection denotes consciousness. So if you (and Darwin) think the environment is conscious, that's your (conscious) selection.
I respect you so much for your Stan's, but there's a little problem with it.No, there are often multiple sides of an issue. An atheist might be someone who's never been exposed to the concept of god. She might deny the possibility or completely reject the existence of god.
Personally I'm not denying god -- or bigfoot, or flying saucers for that matter, I'm just waiting for enough empirical or objective evidence to justify belief; to make belief rational.
Theists make the claim, but so far they have not met their burden of proof, which puts god in the same category as leprechauns or wyverns. Is it rational to believe in them?
I not surprised by your dishonest approachI'm sure. Otherwise no trip down the rabbit hole arguing back an forth over some valid distinction that you don't seem to want to see.
You have a good day now you hear.
1. one thing some of you get wrong is that God does not catch up to science but science catches up to God
2. The evidence or proofs certain people seek in terms of God shows how insincere we can be. Have we gotten the proof or evidence of a person's thoughts, or expression of love? yet we know it exists and we accept it. why then can't we accept who God is even without proof?
3. The burden of proof is never on the entity of God
So I get you correctly, but it seems to you there's no third side in this situation. The Bible Capture that in (Revelation 3:16 [So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.])My belief isn't that there is no god, which is why I call myself an agnostic atheist. My atheism is the logical product of two beliefs, namely that gods cannot be ruled in or out and that one shouldn't believe anything without sufficient empiric support. If one believes those things, he will conclude that agnostic atheism is the only rational position, which is a thirds belief derived from the first two. The only belief I have that derives from that is that there is no reason to have a religion.
If you're saying that one either believes that there is a god or the opposite of that, then I disagree. There is a third position possible: agnosticism, which is neither a claim that something is true or false, but an "I don't know" answer.
I am quite confident that agnostic atheism is the only rational position for a critically thinking empiricist to hold. If you disagree, please explain why. Falsify (rebut) the claim if you think you can.
following your responses;In your opinion.
The MRI shows the brains thought and love. It has also been used to show god.
The burden of proof is on whoever makes the statement. I.e. whoever says "god exists" then the burden of proof lies with them, similarly, one who says "no gods exist" owns the burden of proof.
So it's random. Etc and etc.No. Things get selected or sorted with no consciousness or awareness at all. Purely mechanical mechanisms can select.
Oh I got it. Maybe it's magnetism.No. Things get selected or sorted with no consciousness or awareness at all. Purely mechanical mechanisms can select.
Again,they don't select how the genes work.No. Conscious intent is not needed.
Pups in Siberia born with short fur freeze. Those with long fur thrive. Pups in Brazil born with long fur overheat, and their short furred brothers thrive. Where is the intent?
Science researches how the world works. It appears to operate through the blind laws and constants of physics and mathematics. No evidence of intention or manipulation -- or need of same -- has been found. No evidence of any god.I respect you so much for your Stan's, but there's a little problem with it.
1. one thing some of you get wrong is that God does not catch up to science but science catches up to God
These are not the physical facts, objects or forces science studies. Purpose, value, right & wrong and meaning are not science's domain.2. The evidence or proofs certain people seek in terms of God shows how insincere we can be. Have we gotten the proof or evidence of a person's thoughts, or expression of love? yet we know it exists and we accept it. why then can't we accept who God is even without proof?
Do you understand burden of proof?3. The burden of proof is never on the entity of God. Irrespective of the numerous pieces of evidence that point to him, we decide on the most absurd evidence we don't even always provide or receive to accept something.
That's not a burden-of-proof issue. That's a regulation and oversight issue. It's a government responsibility.For example, how many of us take the medication we're served at the pharmacy to personal laboratories to test the contents to see if it matches what is prescribed on their containers before consuming them or the food we buy?
Our excuse for what? Is it rational to believe in the imperceptible, unnecessary and unevidenced? Do you believe in Unicorns or laprechauns?if we say till We get all the answers, we ain't going to believe in him and we die and indeed he exists but have failed to honor and serve him, what would be our excuse?
Pascal's wager? Really?I stand to lose nothing if what we believe in doesn't exist, i have no one to account for but if he does exist and I lived life to please him also good for me. in the end, it's a win-win situation for me.
No that's is fact. most of the claims made by the Bible are confirmed by scientific theories.
Are you saying that MRI can now explain your thoughts?
What are the requirements in court cases to prove if someone is guilty or not?
And one who withholds belief till convincing evidence emerges has no burden. He makes no claim.In your opinion.
The MRI shows the brains thought and love. It has also been used to show god.
The burden of proof is on whoever makes the statement. I.e. whoever says "god exists" then the burden of proof lies with them, similarly, one who says "no gods exist" owns the burden of proof.
So I get you correctly, but it seems to you there's no third side in this situation. The Bible Capture that in (Revelation 3:16 [So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.])
OK. Inspirational, but what does that have to do with the question?as nicely put here (“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Attributed to Edmund Burke, including by John F Kennedy in a speech in 1961.)
I don't see what this has to do with the issue. If a thing is unknown it's unknown. If it's poorly evidenced the reasonable conclusion is "I don't know," is it not?If you are never supported, you are simply against and that is where it ends. The human mind always wants to find a loophole in everything but it's only in your head. That's what you believe to be true, relative absolute but we're dealing with an objective absolute.
So it's back to a utilitarian issue? Are your supporters more deserving of life than the others? You're playing favorites.if you are placed in the position to help only five people but you have ten people available out of which only five supported you, are you going to leave your supporters and save those who never chose sides?
What objectives does atheism have???At a point, agnostic atheism can't live out its objectives.
How can you have been posting on these threads so long and still not grasp the mechanisms of evolution?Oh I got it. Maybe it's magnetism.
Huh? Explain, please. I don't see the relevance.Again,they don't select how the genes work.
see you making the same assumptions;That passage doesn't clarify anything. Do you not see the difference?
1. There is a god.
2. There is no god.
3. I don't know whether there's a god or not.
OK. Inspirational, but what does that have to do with the question?
I don't see what this has to do with the issue. If a thing is unknown it's unknown. If it's poorly evidenced the reasonable conclusion is "I don't know," is it not?
So it's back to a utilitarian issue? Are your supporters more deserving of life than the others? You're playing favorites.
Do you really think God plays these self-serving games?
What objectives does atheism have???
Ig citysee you making the same assumptions;
1. Why do Christians evangelize?
if you don't know then i will tell you. Because, they want you to know about God. Now the only position you can take after this is either you accept or not. if you later say you don't know after being told, i thing that would be intellectual dishonesty.
2. The other thing I've realized about people like you "agnostic atheists" is that, you pretend not to understand even when you are told these things, but because you believe that you are more intellectual and see yourselves as more rationale people, you do not even want to admit if the so called "numb-skulls" are making good and rationale points. and thats the same ideologies that has lead our society to the point where we determine what species or gender we are utter-chaos. (2Timothy 3:2 [For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy])
we can all sit here pretend your concepts about life is more rational knowing for a fact that your so called rationale ideas can not be lived out by you yourselves.
the moment we said there's no God, we started saying even morality should be relative because the Bible talks about objective morality. Everything the Bible had ever said we will attack it with our reasoning and when we cannot comprehend, we rule it out as a myth.
You can make us seem as we don't understand what we are saying but you are not in the right state to even fathom it.
Mysterious ways.No. Conscious intent is not needed.
Pups in Siberia born with short fur freeze. Those with long fur thrive. Pups in Brazil born with long fur overheat, and their short furred brothers thrive. Where is the intent?