Atheists - how did you come to be?

[outhouse]

A brain gaining mind is analogous to lungs being able to produce their own air, or a stomach gaining its own food.

Unsubstantiated rhetoric beyond absurdity.

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[Guy Threepwood]

What about the brains of animals, how come they don't possess our kind of mind? A brain gaining mind is analogous to lungs being able to produce their own air, or a stomach gaining its own food.

A good point. Out of millions of species and billions of years, only one has the capacity to ponder it all. We are the only means we know of by which the universe is aware of itself.
Bizarre coincidence is always technically possible. But I think there are far less improbable explanations

 

[amorphous_constellation]

A good point. Out of millions of species and billions of years, only one has the capacity to ponder it all. We are the only means we know of by which the universe is aware of itself.
Bizarre coincidence is always technically possible. But I think there are far less improbable explanations

Yes. The analogy I came up with on second thought seems sort of imperfect, but it is probably headed in the right direction.

 

[outhouse]

A good point. Out of millions of species and billions of years, only one has the capacity to ponder it all.

Your incorrect again.

We are not the only animals self aware.

We are the only means we know of by which the universe is aware of itself

The universe is NOT self aware. We are aware of the universe.

Bizarre coincidence

Not in any way is the facts of evolution bizarre nor coincidence

 

[outhouse]

but it is probably headed in the right direction.

Self proclaimed rhetoric.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

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Everything that is 'credible' on some level requires at least the minimal clutch of someone who takes the necessary step of believing in it. A physicist may tell you all about quarks, but he's still doing investigations and computations one would find hard to perform themselves. At a certain point it all drifts into only things we seem to posit. The track of big foot seems to indicate a large terrestrial simian creature, but one might only have a print to tell them that. A bird's nest might indicate to someone that there exists something like a bird, and it might be to the awe of someone who's never seen one, however unsubstantiated they claim such a claim would be.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Yes. The analogy I came up with on second thought seems sort of imperfect, but it is probably headed in the right direction.

I think your analogies get to the heart of it, an accidental universe accidentally creating a mind, purpose to ponder itself with.. for no particular reason.. is backwards- regarding plain simple entropy
a mind purposefully creating a universe that can be experienced from within.. seems less problematic logically

 

[outhouse]

Everything

No excuses.

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[amorphous_constellation]

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Very well. Read about how the brains of young geniuses are said to develop. Oftentimes they are said to absorb their knowledge like a sponge, right out of nothing. They shock and surprise their parents. How can this be, were it their brains not simply picking up a signal stronger than the rest of us? What better for a credible 'source?'

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I think your analogies get to the heart of it, an accidental universe accidentally creating a mind, purpose to ponder itself with.. for no particular reason.. is backwards- regarding plain simple entropy
a mind purposefully creating a universe that can be experienced from within.. seems less problematic logically

Or the idea that we are the mind, purposely raised up on this platform by the universe which previously lacked it. Either way. But it could be that we are it, we are all that thinks here. It that case, the universe itself appears as a natal environment, and our beloved earth as the 'cradle' as I'm sure many imaginative science fiction writers may have put.

 

[outhouse]

like a sponge, right out of nothing.

Rhetoric.

No excuses.

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[outhouse]

How can this be, were it their brains not simply picking up a signal stronger than the rest of us?

There is no such signal that is fantasy and rhetoric.

They studied harder then you know how too, that all. They were good students who had good teachers and they excelled at what they did in a time when answers and conclusion were needed.

Thing is you would not know one of these people of they bit you. There is one in this forum now that will probably end up being remembered by society.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Thing is you would not know one of these people of they bit you. There is one in this forum now that will probably end up being remembered by society.

Oh yeah? Who's that?

 

[outhouse]

Oh yeah? Who's that?

Its not me. You find him its obvious who it is. Heres a clue he has one of the highest IQ here and is the most well read professor we have.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Its not me. You find him its obvious who it is. Heres a clue he has one of the highest IQ here and is the most well read professor we have.

Well, next time you see them you can ask them if they agree with you, or if they agree more with me. The question is, did the experience of having the greater intelligence granted feel as if it was a transcendent mystical experience or not. If they are on a religion forum, they most likely have a stance on that one way or the other.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Rhetoric.

No excuses.

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The more you bump my thread, the more I think about it. Eventually I'll probably write something that will score points for my argument, statistically.