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Atheists - how did you come to be?

Iti oj

Iti oj

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I. Became an atheist because I excepted reality as it is.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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Quaxotic said:
1. What do you mean by transcendant?
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I mean that there is something funny about this situation you find yourself in, as this primate that apparently self-reflects on a higher level. How can we be totally sure about exactly what happened here, what the scale of this thing is or where its limit is located, if it has one. It seems as though the brain merely acts as an input for consciousness; consciousness is merely something that plugs in. There is a feeling that you could hook this thing up to anything, any kind of advanced being, a robot that could explore the universe, an organism with god-like powers, the brain in the future may become amended. Actually you can learn things, you can meditate, you can improve the space in which consciousness resides - we know not the limit to that.

2. Why must there be something transcendant?
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So many modern atheists apparently think that there is nothing transcendent here, why then declare that any thinking occurs at all, that you are only brain and nothing else. Why must any perspective appear to be occupied? Can your body act without you, how come you cannot perceive it working from the outside, or is that what you are somehow doing? You apparently transcended absolutely nothing, or perhaps something you have forgotten, to arrive on this earth. That alone is an act of transcendence.
 
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serp777

serp777

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ideogenous_mover said:
Now honestly if you think about this hard enough, something about the fact that you came to be at all will strike you as bizarre. You know not what occurred before you became, nor do you know how this occurred, why, or ultimately where you are going. However, you can now definitively say that you are, you have become the singularity, your individual telos has found residence in the flesh of an animal. Here you sit, reading this, converting light and color, shape and sound, sending a will to magically type your response. Fingertips and hands, to you alone they are enslaved. Your attention if divided can be trained into submission. You read this and wonder immediately what you can say to ameliorate the sudden existential discord, the fact that the curtain can be pulled on your certainty.

So how did you come to be? Was it karma, the negative and positive energies of your soul swirling in the firmament to reside in a host, was it a slighted god, molding you like craft-work. Was it a random conflux of hidden energies that happened with a probability never to be repeated, a quarky buildup of matter so random it would take a trillion dice? Who's to say you will not immediately occur again when a new pilot is required for some random new brain in the universe. Most likely that is what will happen. Once you land in an immortal coil as opposed to a mortal one, you might not have to keep reincarnating. Though I would argue at this stage that you are clearly constantly incarnating. You can say with certainty that you most likely had a long string of failures to find an immortal host, or if you ever could not age, you must have accidentally died.

The only way you could stop coming to be is if there was never again a seat to be filled. You clearly were not in the very beginning, or most likely were not, but no vacant seat is left open when they are built. If there were a trillion situations where consciousness could reside and over time that was subtracted to nine hundred ninety-nine billion nine hundred ninety-nine million nine hundred ninety-nine thousand nine hundred ninety-nine, perhaps one less soul that kept recycling could exist, or their incarnation would be put on hold. Of course no time would pass for the soul once it is waiting. And to finish, I myself am a atheist/agnostic, but I know this cannot be the first time I was, or is it likely it will be the last time I will be.
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The answer? Nobody knows. K thx bye.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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LuisDantas said:
You have a bad need to have others agreeing with you. I hope you recover from that.
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Um, no. No one may know the answer, and the forum was invented so that open ended questions were to be thoroughly discussed with an open-mind. A clipped, sarcastic answer of any kind, agreeing with me or not, will not be at all thought provoking and does not move many neurons.
 
Maldini

Maldini

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It would be a long story if I were to tell exactly how, but in a sentence I'd say I pulled my head out of my ***.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Atheists - how did you come to be?

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim and that has been very natural.
Thank G-d that I am not mythical.

To me, Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism is a mythical world view neither supported positively by science nor by religion.

Regards
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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paarsurrey said:
Atheists - how did you come to be?

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim and that has been very natural.
Thank G-d that I am not mythical.

To me, Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism is a mythical world view neither supported positively by science nor by religion.

Regards
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You might need to define what you mean by 'myth' parrsurrey.
Belief in myth and skepticism are strange bedfellows, even if you think atheists are wrong (as is your right).
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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paarsurrey said:
Atheists - how did you come to be?

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim and that has been very natural.
Thank G-d that I am not mythical.

To me, Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism is a mythical world view neither supported positively by science nor by religion.

Regards
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From my perspective actually, all those you mentioned may be mythical along with every religion we've established so far, along with some modern things that science may say possibly. Really what it may come down to for me, is that we all barely see the tip of the iceberg with this stuff. My fellow atheists/agnostics or whatever they want to be called nowadays to me just seem kind of stuffy about a lot of things, and although I cannot blame them for what they've endured historically, I really wish they'd find a way to get over their cynical feelings and rekindle the adventurous, optimistic types of even spiritually exploratory thinking that could be their proper mantle.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
ideogenous_mover said:
. My fellow atheists/agnostics or whatever they want to be called nowadays to me just seem kind of stuffy about a lot of things, and although I cannot blame them for what they've endured historically, I really wish they'd find a way to get over their cynical feelings and rekindle the adventurous, optimistic types of even spiritually exploratory thinking that could be their proper mantle.
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O im not sure you even have a remote clue on what they think or feel.


Its exactly same as walking in a library and claiming you know all the book inside and out, because you read one once.


Usually your ire can be explained as theist jealousy in that they the atheist often know religion much better then their theist counterparts.



100% of my actions and belief and lack of, is based on education and knowledge.
 
amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

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outhouse said:
O im not sure you even have a remote clue on what they think or feel.


Its exactly same as walking in a library and claiming you know all the book inside and out, because you read one once.


Usually your ire can be explained as theist jealousy in that they the atheist often know religion much better then their theist counterparts.



100% of my actions and belief and lack of, is based on education and knowledge.
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For just a moment, realize there is no need to become at all defensive. I'm actually just interested in analysis of this experience, and I can tell you what I think, but I'm not actually interested in telling you what to think. What I'm trying to do is get you all to do some exploring of these things with me, and we can do that with any kind of dialectic you wish. Let's address the topic at hand, and that topic has a lot to do with exploring uncertainty. You can approach it any way you wish.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
ideogenous_mover said:
So how did you come to be?

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Education and knowledge of exactly how many different men and cultures defined the mythological concept you know as a deity.


Your the same way, you discount the thousands of gods man has created in the past. Now that we have 9,999 of the deities placed into he category of mythology, placing one more there is no problem at all, once you know the details of how man did this.
 
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