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Atheists: If God existed would God……

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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KWED said:
But you have already admitted that you don't know, you merely believe. And you have no way of knowing if your belief is justified.
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I never said that I don't know, I merely believe.
I know what I believe is true and I have a way of knowing.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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samtonga43 said:
Your definitions contain the word you are asked to define. Illogical.
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I simply posted the definition of existence that was taken from dictionary.com.
Definition of existence | Dictionary.com

There is nothing illogical about it. :rolleyes:
You did not even bother to read what is in the definition.
Click on the link and you will see what I said below: Definition of existence | Dictionary.com

The parts in red are just examples. They are not part of the actual definition.

the state or fact of existing; being.
continuance in being or life; life: a struggle for existence.
mode of existing: They were working for a better existence.
all that exists: Existence shows a universal order.
something that exists; entity; being.
 
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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Sheldon said:
Since science is the study of the natural physical world and universe, claiming there are things beyond science's purview, is the same as the belief things exist beyond the physical material universe,
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That is correct. I believe (I do not claim) that things exist beyond the physical material universe.
Ever heard of heaven?
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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samtonga43 said:
But you claim to have a way of knowing that what you believe is true.
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I have a way of knowing the EVERYTHING that Baha'u'llah wrote is the absolute truth and you cannot do a thing about it, unless you can override the Will of an Omnipotent God.

"Be thankful to God for having enabled you to recognize His Cause. Whoever has received this blessing must, prior to his acceptance, have performed some deed which, though he himself was unaware of its character, was ordained by God as a means whereby he has been guided to find and embrace the Truth. As to those who have remained deprived of such a blessing, their acts alone have hindered them from recognizing the truth of this Revelation. We cherish the hope that you, who have attained to this light, will exert your utmost to banish the darkness of superstition and unbelief from the midst of the people. May your deeds proclaim your faith and enable you to lead the erring into the paths of eternal salvation."

(Baha'u'llah, quoted in Shoghi Effendi, The Dawn-Breakers, p. 586)
The Dawn-Breakers: Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation, p. 586
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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samtonga43 said:
And you see no problem with the definition you found? Really?
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No, I do not see any problem. Finding other people's misstates is your department.
Why not contact dictionary.com and tell them they made a mistake in the definition?

Do you have anything better to do than point out other people's errors?
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Trailblazer said:
I have a way of knowing the EVERYTHING that Baha'u'llah wrote is the absolute truth and you cannot do a thing about it, unless you can override the Will of an Omnipotent God.
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OK. Let me get this right:.
Tb has a way of knowing the EVERYTHING that Baha'u'llah wrote is the absolute truth.

You're sticking with this?
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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Trailblazer said:
That is correct. I believe (I do not claim) that things exist beyond the physical material universe.
Ever heard of heaven?
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That is a claim, we have done this to death, a belief is the affirmation of a claim that something is true, when asserted outload or in writing a belief is a claim. You seem to think you can protect your claims, by labelling them beliefs, and also pretending that a fact or something known or proved to be true, are absolutes, which they are not, even the rotundity of the earth cannot be an absolute, merely a fact supported by so much objective evidence that denying it is unreasonable or even irrational.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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Trailblazer said:
belief is mental acceptance of a claim as truth regardless of supporting or contrary empirical evidence.

What is the difference between claim and belief? | WikiDiff
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Try a few more emojis, see if you can distract everyone form the fact you just destroyed your own claim. The real irony is that the part I highlighted from your post, was asserted in mine verbatim.

A belief is the affirmation of a claim, I am glad you finally accept that is the case. So when one asserts a belief, in writing in a public forum, what is that? It's a claim that something is true, in case you are still struggling. :facepalm:

As has been explained exhaustively, though a belief is the affirmation of a claim, it would remain only a belief if you did not express it to others. When expressed to others it becomes a claim. This argument you have used has been refuted relentlessly, and it hardly warrants the resistance you have offered, which is frankly baffling.
 
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