Atheists: If God existed would God……

[CG Didymus]

Wow, I did not know that you were so much against Bible.

Yes, in post 3060 it says, "silly Bible". If I said that, it wouldn't mean much. I do think some of those Bible stories are silly... like the Sun stopping in the sky for a whole day. Or, my favorite, Moses' cane turning into a snake. But this is a Baha'i disrespecting the Scriptures of another religion.

 

[John53]

Where is the post where I mocked anyone?
Please provide the link to the post.
If there is one you should be able to provide the link. Evidence is everything.

I gave you the evidence again.... open your eyes

 

[John53]

Yeah, because I don't respond directly to her anymore, because it was too frustrating for me, I post things that are meant for the Baha'is while posting to others. Sorry, but I couldn't deal with her style of arguing or debating or whatever it is she thinks she is doing. But I like her threads and like what you and others have to say in those threads.

I wish I had your communication ability.

 

[Trailblazer]

I gave you the evidence again.... open your eyes

Talk is cheap. You gave me no evidence.
If you really had any evidence you would be able to provide a link to the post that has the evidence.

 

[John53]

Talk is cheap. You gave me no evidence.
If you really had any evidence you would be able to provide a link to the post that has the evidence.

Have done 3 times now, open your eyes.

 

[samtonga43]

Imagine with the science we have these days that some use the Bible to argue that the world is still round and that Jesus will come cloud surfing to pick up a few blessed souls.

See my Bold. This is a logical fallacy, TS. Can you work out which one?

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Tell me, is it a general Bahai belief that the Bible is silly, or is Tb (who once wanted to burn the Christian Scriptures) an exception?

 

[Trailblazer]

Have done 3 times now, open your eyes.

There is nothing to see. All you have are claims.
Talk is cheap, only post numbers suffice as evidence.

You don't go into a court of law and say you have done something and not present actual evidence.

 

[Trailblazer]

Tell me, is it a general Bahai belief that the Bible is silly, or is Tb (who once wanted to burn the Christian Scriptures) an exception?

Baha'i views about the Bible vary widely.
Below are some Baha'i views of the Bible. I agree with the Conclusion, that the Bible is a collection of the writings of independent and human authors, it is not necessarily historically accurate. Nor can the words of its writers, although inspired, be strictly defined as 'The Word of God' in the way the original words of Moses and Jesus could have been.

Introduction

Although Bahá'ís universally share a great respect for the Bible, and acknowledge its status as sacred literature, their individual views about its authoritative status range along the full spectrum of possibilities. At one end there are those who assume the uncritical evangelical or fundamentalist-Christian view that the Bible is wholly and indisputably the word of God. At the other end are Bahá'ís attracted to the liberal, scholarly conclusion that the Bible is no more than a product of complex historical and human forces. Between these extremes is the possibility that the Bible contains the Word of God, but only in a particular sense of the phrase 'Word of God' or in particular texts. I hope to show that a Bahá'í view must lie in this middle area, and can be defined to some degree.

Conclusion

The Bahá'í viewpoint proposed by this essay has been established as follows: The Bible is a reliable source of Divine guidance and salvation, and rightly regarded as a sacred and holy book. However, as a collection of the writings of independent and human authors, it is not necessarily historically accurate. Nor can the words of its writers, although inspired, be strictly defined as 'The Word of God' in the way the original words of Moses and Jesus could have been. Instead there is an area of continuing interest for Bahá'í scholars, possibly involving the creation of new categories for defining authoritative religious literature.

A Baháí View of the Bible

 

[Aupmanyav]

I did not say the Bible is silly. I said the world is silly.

I quote your post:

The Baha'i Writings are expansive, more expansive than the silly Bible.

"Satyameva Jayate, nanritam" (Truth alone wins, not untruth).

 

[John53]

There is nothing to see. All you have are claims.
Talk is cheap, only post numbers suffice as evidence.

You don't go into a court of law and say you have done something and not present actual evidence.

Did it again for ya....

 

[John53]

I quote your post: "Satyameva Jayate, nanritam" (Truth alone wins, not untruth).

Irrefutable evidence for your case that will be misrepresented, misunderstood and misquoted until you forget what the conversation is about. Truth and facts are not important to some.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, the "intensity" of Abraham is different than Moses... or Joseph, or Isaiah or Noah. But none of them are called "manifestations" of God. Would Abraham or Moses even claim that they were? Why would they have to?

Now your questions are reflecting progressive revelation. Humanity was not ready and it appears it still struggles to embrace the concepts of how God communicates with us.

Even Islam, that embraces all the previous Names of God and Messengers, still put to death one Messenger and persecuted and Banished another.

Baha'u'llah has now given great detail, which is also sound to the scientific mind.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

See my Bold. This is a logical fallacy, TS. Can you work out which one?

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Tell me, is it a general Bahai belief that the Bible is silly, or is Tb (who once wanted to burn the Christian Scriptures) an exception?

Abdul'baha is the one that has given me the required outlook for the Bible and thus is the way I view it and the way I discuss it.

Inscription in the Old Bible Written by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in Persian. Thus was in England after he spoke from the City Temple pulpit.

"THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá Abbás."

There is also a lot of very useful and important considerations about the Bible in the Baha'i Writings one needs to consider.

Individual Baha'i can have their own opinions, but they do not override the official statements, to which we all get to make our minds up about.

Personally I offer that the Bible to me is sure and sound spiritual guidance. It helped me embrace Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

 

[samtonga43]

I did not say the Bible is silly. I said the world is silly.

Are you really denying you said this?
"The Baha'i Writings are expansive, more expansive than the silly Bible".

 

[TransmutingSoul]

See my Bold. This is a logical fallacy, TS. Can you work out which one?

Sorry not unto those type of talks, personally I have to look up what is a 'logical fallacy'.

I read what you bolded, logically it is correct as it is provable, that some do use the Bible content in this manner.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Are you really denying you said this?
"The Baha'i Writings are expansive, more expansive than the silly Bible".

Do you understand that it is best if you left that alone? That would be the nice thing to do after stirring someone up as to make an off handed comment, thay have since long forgotten.

Regards Tony

 

[John53]

Do you understand that it is best if you left that alone? That would be the nice thing to do after stirring someone up as to make an off handed comment, thay have since long forgotten.

Regards Tony

It was a day ago.

 

[Trailblazer]

I quote your post: "Satyameva Jayate, nanritam" (Truth alone wins, not untruth).

So I called the Bible silly once, big deal. You and other atheists have said much worse things about the Writings of Baha'u'llah over and over and over again.

My actual view of the Bible is as follows. The Bible is a source of spiritual guidance but it is no longer needed because it was written for another age in history, and we now have the Writings of Baha'u'llah for spiritual guidance, for new social teachings and laws, and we now have a new message for this age, the oneness of God and religion and the unity of mankind. As long as people continue to cling to the Bible they will never move on.

“The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements.

We can well perceive how the whole human race is encompassed with great, with incalculable afflictions. We see it languishing on its bed of sickness, sore-tried and disillusioned. They that are intoxicated by self-conceit have interposed themselves between it and the Divine and infallible Physician. Witness how they have entangled all men, themselves included, in the mesh of their devices. They can neither discover the cause of the disease, nor have they any knowledge of the remedy. They have conceived the straight to be crooked, and have imagined their friend an enemy.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 213

 

[CG Didymus]

Now your questions are reflecting progressive revelation. Humanity was not ready and it appears it still struggles to embrace the concepts of how God communicates with us.

Even Islam, that embraces all the previous Names of God and Messengers, still put to death one Messenger and persecuted and Banished another.

Baha'u'llah has now given great detail, which is also sound to the scientific mind.

Regards Tony

Yes, manifestations and progressive revelation are the issue. And it is more than just Abraham and Moses, it might include Adam and Noah. If it does, why does Judaism need four manifestations? Especially when Hinduism is only given one. But if Baha'is accept Krishna, why not the other incarnations of Vishnu? I think it is much easier just to call it all religious mythology. Why does any of it have to be real and true? And, what weird, is Baha'is don't believe it is real and true. They believe it is all fictional, symbolic stories. But Baha'is make the characters in those stories read and historical?

 

[samtonga43]

Do you understand that it is best if you left that alone? That would be the nice thing to do after stirring someone up as to make an off handed comment, thay have since long forgotten.
Regards Tony

No, Tony, I do not think it is best if Tb's irrational statements are 'left alone'. It is time she learned to think before she hits 'post reply'.