Atheists: If God existed would God……

[Trailblazer]

Hmmmmm, some time back it was "because of what he WROTE"......but NOW it is because of who he was (whatever that is supposed to mean)...and what he did on his mission....REALLY, are you effing SERIOUS with that kind of remark as being some kind of meaningful EVIDENCE?
Face it, you have absolutely NOTHING to back up Bahahouies' claim that he actually HEARD from God Himself...other than his sayso@!

“Say: The first and foremost testimony establishing His truth is His own Self. Next to this testimony is His Revelation. For whoso faileth to recognize either the one or the other He hath established the words He hath revealed as proof of His reality and truth. This is, verily, an evidence of His tender mercy unto men. He hath endowed every soul with the capacity to recognize the signs of God. How could He, otherwise, have fulfilled His testimony unto men, if ye be of them that ponder His Cause in their hearts. He will never deal unjustly with any one, neither will He task a soul beyond its power. He, verily, is the Compassionate, the All-Merciful.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 105-106

 

[Trailblazer]

Couldn't a better explanation why humans don't hear from a God is because it doesn't exist like theists believe?

We do hear from God through Messengers.
We will never hear from God directly because nobody except Messengers can understand God.
God will never communicate to humans directly because there would be no point.
According to my beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

Right, so we don't believe, and we aren't sucked in to the belief that there is an afterlife to gamble on.

You will find out soon enough so you won't have to believe.
What will happen after that only God knows.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

“Say: The first and foremost testimony establishing His truth is His own Self. Next to this testimony is His Revelation. For whoso faileth to recognize either the one or the other He hath established the words He hath revealed as proof of His reality and truth. This is, verily, an evidence of His tender mercy unto men. He hath endowed every soul with the capacity to recognize the signs of God. How could He, otherwise, have fulfilled His testimony unto men, if ye be of them that ponder His Cause in their hearts. He will never deal unjustly with any one, neither will He task a soul beyond its power. He, verily, is the Compassionate, the All-Merciful.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 105-106

I really am sorry, but all that nonsense above is nothing more than his saying in so many words, to "believe me", because I say so....and takes an awful LOT of words to say just and ONLY that!

 

[ppp]

This is ego projection, it is what YOU want, it is not what God wants, because if it was what God wanted God would have done it already.

That has nothing to do with what he wants. You have got to learn the difference between want and logical conclusion.

 

[ACEofALLaces]

You will find out soon enough so you won't have to believe.
What will happen after that only God knows.

OOOooooooo sounds like some of the threatening nonsense of the Christian religion......"go ahead, DON'T believe....you'll find out soon enough (when you die).

 

[F1fan]

We do hear from God through Messengers.

This is a guess, not a reasonable thing to believe. So irrelevant.

We will never hear from God directly because nobody except Messengers can understand God.

It's more likely a God doesn't exist.

God will never communicate to humans directly because there would be no point.

Only if the God is indifferent to suffering and complicit with evil people.

According to my beliefs.

Which are irrelevant. We need facts, not your beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

If a God was the originator then the message could be tailored to the individual so it would be comprehensible and understood.

Why would God tailor a message to the individual? God does not need anyone's belief.
This is what YOU want, not what God wants, and that is why you will never get it.
Apparently you still have not figured out who is all-powerful. It's not you.

God's message that came through Baha'u'llah can be comprehended and understood.
If people reject it they are the ones who will miss out. It is no skin off God's nose.

 

[Trailblazer]

OOOooooooo sounds like some of the threatening nonsense of the Christian religion......"go ahead, DON'T believe....you'll find out soon enough (when you die).

It won't be so funny later, and later is not that far away for you.
But I will know that I did everything humanly possible to get through and that is all God expects me to do.

 

[ppp]

Why would God tailor a message to the individual? God does not need anyone's belief.

That is the only way that belief comes. By individual.

God's message that came through Baha'u'llah can be comprehended and understood.
If people reject it they are the ones who will miss out. It is no skin off God's nose.

It is not credible.

 

[ppp]

It won't be so funny later, and later is not that far away for you.

Gotta love a religion that is so unbelievable that it has to resort to threats.

 

[Trailblazer]

Only if the God is indifferent to suffering and complicit with evil people.

How would God communicating to humans directly solve these problems?
It would not do a thing because nobody could ever understand God communicating to them directly.
But you are free to entertain your fantasies.

 

[lukethethird]

How would God communicating to humans directly solve these problems?
It would not do a thing because nobody could ever understand God communicating to them directly.
But you are free to entertain your fantasies.

Spoken like a true believer.

 

[F1fan]

You will find out soon enough so you won't have to believe.
What will happen after that only God knows.

You offer a subtle threat instead of evidence. This is why rational people don't accept religious claims.

Nothing bad will happen to non-believers because death means all consciousness ends. We are free in this life from intimidation and threats because we rely on reason. We are not coerced and afraid of religious claims.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is not credible.

What do you think that God would care if it is credible to everyone?
An omni-everything God does not need anyone's belief.

The Truth is never obvious to everyone. In fact, few people find it.

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

 

[Trailblazer]

You offer a subtle threat instead of evidence.

My conscience is clear. I have already presented the evidence, innumerable times.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is the only way that belief comes. By individual.

That's right, but messages from God do not come that way, they only come through a Messenger.

 

[ppp]

What do you think that God would care if it is credible to everyone?
An omni-everything God does not need anyone's belief.

Since you have no idea what god wants you are just making this up

The Truth is never obvious to everyone. In fact, few people find it.

Nope.

Matthew 7:13-14

A verse which utterly and completely denies any and all validity of Baha'i

 

[ppp]

That's right, but messages from God do not come that way, they only come through a Messenger.

There is no reason to believe that statement.

 

[Trailblazer]

Gotta love a religion that is so unbelievable that it has to resort to threats.

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy, appeal to popularity, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority of the many, bandwagon fallacy, voxpopuli,[2] and in Latin as argumentum ad numerum ("appeal to the number"), fickle crowd syndrome, and consensus gentium ("agreement of the clans"). It is also the basis of a number of social phenomena, including communal reinforcement and the bandwagon effect. The Chinese proverb "three men make a tiger" concerns the same idea. Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

The converse of this is that if many or most people do not believe it, it cannot be so, and that is fallacious.

The Narrow Way

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.