Atheists: If God existed would God……

[ChristineM]

Excuses for what? I do not need any excuses nor do you.

Oh

 

[Trailblazer]

The sending of messengers is just one of your many claims about the nature of God that do not hold up.

Yet you cannot explain WHY that does not hold up.
Why doesn't it hold up?

 

[CG Didymus]

I wouldn't recommend trying it to find out ;-)
Why indeed.

That's the problem. People have tried it and convinced themselves it's true. When they throw a virgin into the volcano, and the volcano stops, they figure it worked. Therefore, it must be true. Now that they know it is true. Then, next time, if it doesn't stop, they figure the Volcano God must want more. So, they try again... and again until it does stop. And lo and behold, every time, without fail, it eventually stops. Now that's proof.

It's amazing how any belief in any religion can work... when it is believed, and the person keeps believing.

And I know the Baha'i Faith works for some. And they believe they are building a new, peaceful world and part of what they are supposed to do is tell others about their glorious message. But the problem... there is a disclaimer... The quality of how that message gets conveyed to you may vary. God is not responsible for how some of his people may mangle it or live lives that contradict that message.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sure. What you always do is shift word to extremes. Demonstrate becomes prove. Expect becomes want. I said nothing about proof, and yet there you bang on.

You said demonstrate and demonstrate means prove. Then I said that nobody can ever prove that God exists.
Expect did not become want, they are two different words with different meanings.
Atheists expect God to do what they want God to do instead of what God actually does.
IOWs they think that God is their short order cook.

 

[ChristineM]

It has everything to do with want but it is also related to expect.
Atheists expect and want God to do everything they expect and want God to do, or else they are not going to believe that He exists...
And they cannot even see how illogical that is and how childish.
Thank God not all atheists are this childish and illogical, but a fair number are.

A little heads up here
Atheists do not, i repeat NOT, expect a mythical being to do anything. You are the one pushing the idea of atheists want this and that. Then blaming atheists for no doing what you dictate they should do.

I will repeat one last time, after this i im done

Atheist : person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

 

[Trailblazer]

Again opening your bundle of contradiction. Believing without reason is a deviation from reason as @It Aint Necesarily So said. If there is no proof then why should I believe in what a charlatan says.

There is no contradiction whatsoever. I have a reason to believe and I believe with reason.
So do all the highly intelligent Baha'is who have advanced degrees in all kind of fields.
Is there any other reason for putting others down other than to raise yourself up?

Atheists are like tiny babies in a crib who want a bottle. I want my proof!
But God is not ever going to give you what you want so why not just take your toys and go home instead of posting to me on threads like this?

Why talk about God when you believe God does not exist and you don't accept the only evidence God provides? It is an exercise in futility because God is not going to give you what you want, proof of His existence. Why? Because He doesn't want to, and God only does what He wants to do, not what you want Him to do..

 

[ppp]

It has everything to do with want but it is also related to expect.
Atheists expect and want God to do everything they expect and want God to do, or else they are not going to believe that He exists...
And they cannot even see how illogical that is and how childish.
Thank God not all atheists are this childish and illogical, but a fair number are.

No, it is you are being childish and irrational.
If someone tells me that a room is 200° below zero, then I expect that water will freeze in that room. Irrespective of whether I want water to freeze in that room.

If I pull a boat through reeds and brush up the
Uganda Nile, I expect to get leeches. That doesn't mean that I want to get leeches.

If someone tells me that a God exists and that it wants me to know it exists, and it's all-powerful, and all knowing, then I don't believe them because if such an entity existed I would expect it to have already convinced me that it exists. Again, nothing to do with want.

Expectations. Wants. Learn the difference.

 

[Trailblazer]

Atheists do not, i repeat NOT, expect a mythical being to do anything. You are the one pushing the idea of atheists want this and that. Then blaming atheists for no doing what you dictate they should do.

You are free to speak for yourself, but other atheists expect God to do x or y, IF they are going to believe that He exists.
Saying that God should do x or y is the same as expecting God to do x or y.
It is as much as saying, "God, if you do not do x or y I am not going to believe that you exist."

 

[ppp]

Yet you cannot explain WHY that does not hold up.
Why doesn't it hold up?

Because you've offered no evidence for it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Who waits? Atheists are living their life happily. No evidence, no belief; it is as simple as that.

If atheists are so happy and they don't care of God exists, why are there over 800 posts on this thread in the span of a few days?

I would be a millionaire if I had a dollar for every time an atheist asked me for evidence that God exists. If they don't care why do they ask?

 

[ppp]

You said demonstrate and demonstrate means prove.

Only in the casual and colloquial sense. We are neither assessing statements casually nor colloquially.

 

[Trailblazer]

If I had that power? And I were interested in being known by humans? I can guarantee you I would have done a much better job. And it would be amazingly simple.

Did it ever even occur to you that God does not give a rip if He is known to humans?
Try to think about why an omni-everything God would ever need to be known by humans.

 

[Trailblazer]

It's absurd to you because you assume there's an afterlife. That itself is irrational and unwarranted. The fear of death is certainly a motivation to adopt this absurd idea.

but that is not my reason, or everyone's reason.
Most people believe in an afterlife because that is what their religion teaches.
That is why I believe in one.

What is absurd to you makes perfect sense to millions of people in the world.

 

[ChristineM]

You are free to speak for yourself, but other atheists expect God to do x or y, IF they are going to believe that He exists.
Saying that God should do x or y is the same as expecting God to do x or y.
It is as much as saying, "God, if you do not do x or y I am not going to believe that you exist."

How can a person who does not believe a god exists expect something they thatdo not believe to do anything? To say an atheist expects a god to do something is a logic contradiction and a complete misrepresentation of the meaning of atheism

And again, you are the one saying, not atheists.

 

[Trailblazer]

Again, priceless. Time for me to step off the TB merry go around sorry.

I sure hope you do.
I am starting to go through these atheist posts like butter because I don't want to waste my time arguing just for the sake of arguing. It never leads anywhere.

Happy Trails.

 

[ChristineM]

If atheists are so happy and they don't care of God exists, why are there over 800 posts on this thread in the span of a few days?

I would be a millionaire if I had a dollar for every time an atheist asked me for evidence that God exists. If they don't care why do they ask?

Because it's fun

 

[Trailblazer]

If someone tells me that a God exists and that it wants me to know it exists, and it's all-powerful, and all knowing, then I don't believe them because if such an entity existed I would expect it to have already convinced me that it exists. Again, nothing to do with want.

Expectations. Wants. Learn the difference.

Okay, it has nothing to do with want, but it does have to do with expect.
The hundred-million dollar question is why you would expect it to have already convinced you that it exists.

 

[Trailblazer]

Because you've offered no evidence for it.

I have posted the evidence umpteen million times.
If you do not consider it evidence that is not my problem.

 

[Trailblazer]

How can a person who does not believe a god exists expect something they that do not believe to do anything? To say an atheist expects a god to do something is a logic contradiction and a complete misrepresentation of the meaning of atheism

And again, you are the one saying, not atheists.

Below is just one example of the expectations of an atheist. There are many more posts like it.

If someone tells me that a God exists and that it wants me to know it exists, and it's all-powerful, and all knowing, then I don't believe them because if such an entity existed I would expect it to have already convinced me that it exists. Again, nothing to do with want.

#867 Policy, 27 minutes ago

 

[ppp]

Okay, it has nothing to do with want, but it does have to do with expect.
The hundred-million dollar question is why you would expect it to have already convinced you that it exists.

For the same reason I think that if you wanted a breath of air that you would inhale.