Atheists: If God existed would God……

[John53]

Ha! This guy has shown such confusion over the time I've known him. There is evidence of the existence of God, but it doesn't come from the facts of the material world. You wouldn't know what that evidence is, either.

So you need some kind of esoteric ability to perceive evidence God exists?

 

[CG Didymus]

And which one is that? There are literally thousands that humans have imagined.

And Baha'is know this. And...

So you need some kind of esoteric ability to perceive evidence God exists?

I'd imagine there is "evidence" that those imagined gods were real. Like when a disaster struck when the Sun God rejected the human sacrifice that was offered. Or like when a Native person prays and fasts and the Great Spirit sends them a spirit animal to guide them. Or when a Trinitarian Christian prays to their God, whom the Baha'is believe is false, and the person has a vision of Mary and is healed. (Oh, and some Baha'is have seen a vision of Abdul Baha').

I'm sure all these things have happened and other similar things. But the god the people were believing in wasn't real. A storm God, a fertility God, or even all the evil gods that were believed in. I'd suspect that people have experienced things that made it seem like those evil gods were real too.

So, perceiving Gods to be real still doesn't prove they are real. Baha'is have profound writings and fulfilled prophecies. But so do all the other religions. So, what do most all religions have in common? Faith and a belief that their religion is true. And who doesn't believe and see evidence with their "spiritual" eyes that their particular religion and beliefs are true? If they didn't, why would people believe in them? And because they all do... Not one of them can show itself to be more real or true than any of the others.

 

[samtonga43]

No, I do not speak for atheists...
It is only my personal opinion that it would not be evidence for atheists since they don't adhere to the Bible. Look at the video and tell me what you think.

Atheists do not 'adhere to the Bible'.
Tb would like to burn the Bible.

 

[samtonga43]

Why can't you keep your big nose out of my business?
Why don't you keep your business out of my sight?

You know nothing about my marital relationship, you just think you know everything. I have not been 'connected' with him for over 20 years, I just stayed with him because I knew he could not take care of himself.

Tb is connected to her husband via marriage and has lived with him for many years.
BUT
Tb is not connected with her husband.
This is the kind of illogical nonsense which makes other posters

 

[Trailblazer]

Tb is connected to her husband via marriage and has lived with him for many years.
BUT
Tb is not connected with her husband.
This is the kind of illogical nonsense which makes other posters

I am connected through marriage and have lived with him for many years, but for the last 20 years I have been no more connected to him than I would be connected to a roommate. The point is that I am not emotionally or physically connected to him, we just lived in the same house.

There is nothing illogical about that. You are just trolling the thread to see if you can find things about me to criticize, as usual.

 

[Trailblazer]

Tb would like to burn the Bible.

You are in no position to speak for me and tell me what I would like to do, but you do it anyway.

 

[Truthseeker]

Unbelievable. Baha'is like you make me turn to my Christian friends. Trouble is... it's not long before they tell me how blind I am of the spiritual realities and say that Jesus the way the truth and the life and is coming soon. So, I stand by my comments... Baha'is are essentially the same as Fundy Christians. They think they are the only ones that have the real truth from God. That all the other religions have added things in and misinterpreted their own Scriptures and have lost the true message.

I'm sorry I was so harsh in this comment about you. I'm not saying this to get you into the good graces of the Baha'i Faith. I know you probably will never be a Baha'i. I'm not normally like this. I try not to criticize or debate. I was wrong to say you are blind to spiritual truth. What do I know? I can only look through my own eyes, not through yours.

n the opinion of a Baha'i. Where is the love? The humility? The forgiveness?

You have seemed confused. However, I don't really know you except though a number of posts. I don't know why you seem so confused.

I think it was me. And yes, the Baha'i Faith, Fundy Christianity and all proselytizing types of religions are very confusing to me. And it is true... I am blind to what they think is spiritual truth. I just don't see it. They say all major religions came from the one true God in what they call "progressive" revelation... I don't see it. They say their guy has fulfilled all the prophesies of all the major religions... I don't see it. It's terrible being so blind and confused about what they so clearly see. Or... I'm the dumb kid that's saying, "Hey, the King's not wearing any clothes."

It all comes down to... Are the claims made by Baha'u'llah true? Are his teachings from God? Can they unite the world in peace and harmony? Maybe, maybe not. I see some problems with some of their claims and teachings. How they react to the questions I ask sure isn't helping convince me of their religion being true.

Just think for yourself. I hope you're doing that.

 

[Truthseeker]

It's so weird about the prophecies. I don't know why Baha'is even bring them up at all. To me, they are all too vague to be proof of anything. Yet the claim is that a person would have to be "blind" not to see how true they are?

We do? I agree that all prophecies are vague. That's not the basis of how to evaluate a Prophet, in my opinion.

 

[Truthseeker]

That is a great insight. He checked out of this life a long time ago. He has simply been existing. He has wanted to die for a long time and this is his ticket out. He could not care less if he leaves me standing at the train station watching his departure. Please tell me why I should care, but don't throw scriptures at me. I cannot live up to those, hopefully God will forgive me.

I don't know why you should care, apart from scriptures. I probably wouldn't care if I was you.

 

[Truthseeker]

Sorry Duane, I hate it when believers believe they know why these horrible things happen.

Especially when it is your brother. That left a mark on you. I don't know specifically why this happened to you. How can I?

No Duane, it is not ignorance that binds man to it, it is being born into this world that binds man to it, until we die or unless we commit suicide.

If you really want to know, because this world can be so bad sometimes, we have the opportunity to not be attached to this world. I don't think you are attached to this world. Sorry, but it is you that brought up scripture, not me.

 

[Truthseeker]

So you need some kind of esoteric ability to perceive evidence God exists?

That's not really it. And I was too hasty to judge him. This may seem backwards to you, it usually seems that way to atheists, but first you investigate independently whether a certain person is a Prophet of God or not, and if the evidence convinces you that He is, that establishes that God exists. You asked!

 

[John53]

That's not really it. And I was too hasty to judge him. This may seem backwards to you, it usually seems that way to atheists, but first you investigate independently whether a certain person is a Prophet of God or not, and if the evidence convinces you that He is, that establishes that God exists. You asked!

But what if someone else investigates and finds they are not Prophet? There must be some kind of skill required.

 

[Truthseeker]

But what if someone else investigates and finds they are not Prophet? There must be some kind of skill required.

It's a matter of your own perception.

 

[F1fan]

It's a matter of your own perception.

Yet atheists are not examining these claims of there being prophets or religious truth with any presumptions that they are true. It comes as no surprise that it is only theists that end up conclusion their prophets (and no other religion's prophets) are legit. If anything smacks of bias it is theists being wowed by their own evidence when no outsider is wowed.

What makes truth true is that it is clear and obvious to educated minds that know not to impose any bias.

 

[Truthseeker]

Tb would like to burn the Bible.

You are in no position to speak for me and tell me what I would like to do, but you do it anyway.

Oh, that's the person you were referring to on the phone. You said that a year ago, and she brought it up? Shame on her.

 

[John53]

It's a matter of your own perception.

Aren't you curious as to why there's so many perceptions and everyone thinks they are the ones who have the truth?

 

[Truthseeker]

Aren't you curious as to why there's so many perceptions and everyone thinks they are the ones who have the truth?

We're human, that's why. We're not computers.

 

[John53]

We're human, that's why. We're not computers.

I guess but it doesn't help figure out who (if any) are right.

 

[Truthseeker]

I guess but it doesn't help figure out who (if any) are right.

That's true. You are free to form your own opinion, John53. We all are. What we believe is overrated.

 

[John53]

That's true. You are free to form your own opinion, John53. We all are. What we believe is overrated.

Well it's no fun if you agree with me and say stuff I agree with lol