Atheists: If God existed would God……

[F1fan]

How would God communicating to humans directly solve these problems?

Non-mentally ill people are open to suggestion. Bad people who are not mentally ill are bad due to the influences of their lives, and for one reason of another will take risks. A God can certainly make itself known to bad people and guide them to better decisions. Note this can can occur early in life before things get out of hand.

As I noted people who are good and in balance don't need guidance. Bad and hurt people do. They need some guidance in life. God is no more involved than any other good influence. If your God exists it stands by and watches the horror as lives devolve little by little into despair. Explain.

It would not do a thing because nobody could ever understand God communicating to them directly.

Since God is supposedly the more advanced being I find it odd that it can't communicate in whatever language a person knows. Humans are capable but your idea of God isn't. Your God shouldn't;t have created humans in a way that it can't communicate with directly.

BTW, how does God supposedly communicate with human messengers? It can't be language since that is the most likely form a God would communicate with anyone.

 

[F1fan]

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The Narrow Way

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

The 7% who are atheists.

 

[Trailblazer]

Since you have no idea what god wants you are just making this up.

I do know what God wants and needs, and what God does not want or need, if it was revealed by Baha'u'llah..

A verse which utterly and completely denies any and all validity of Baha'i

It was once about Christianity but now it is about the Baha'i Faith, since few have found it.

When Jesus said that, Christianity was the narrow gate that led to life. It was narrow because there were very few Christians in the first centuries, but Christianity is no longer the narrow road. It is now a wide road because many people have entered through it. Given that Christianity is now the largest religion in the world, Christianity is no longer the narrow road that leads to life.

In every new age, the religion at the narrow gate is the new religion God wants us to find and follow, and it is the gate that leads to eternal life. But it is not that easy for most people to find this gate because most people are steeped in religious tradition or attached to what they already believe. If they do not have a religion, most people are suspicious of the new religion and the new messenger. If they are atheists they do not like the idea of messengers of God or they think they are all phonies.

“The Book of God is wide open, and His Word is summoning mankind unto Him. No more than a mere handful, however, hath been found willing to cleave to His Cause, or to become the instruments for its promotion. These few have been endued with the Divine Elixir that can, alone, transmute into purest gold the dross of the world, and have been empowered to administer the infallible remedy for all the ills that afflict the children of men. No man can obtain everlasting life, unless he embraceth the truth of this inestimable, this wondrous, and sublime Revelation.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 183

 

[Trailblazer]

The 7% who are atheists.

No, that is not about atheists because they will not have eternal life.

 

[ppp]

That's right, but messages from God do not come that way, they only come through a Messenger.

So says a book.

 

[Trailblazer]

Since God is supposedly the more advanced being I find it odd that it can't communicate in whatever language a person knows. Humans are capable but your idea of God isn't. Your God shouldn't;t have created humans in a way that it can't communicate with directly.

BTW, how does God supposedly communicate with human messengers? It can't be language since that is the most likely form a God would communicate with anyone.

God does not communicate in a human language. God communicates through the Holy Spirit.
Only Messengers can hear the Voice of God because they have a divine nature as well as a human nature.

God did not create humans with the capacity to understand Him directly because God does not want to speak to humans directly.
God only does what God wants to do, not what humans want Him to do.

 

[F1fan]

I do know what God wants and needs,

So you have special knowledge that a God exists? You can't know what a God wants and needs unless it exists as a fact.

Is this what you are claiming now?

and what God does not want or need, if it was revealed by Baha'u'llah..

So you are referring to God as one would refer to Hobbits and Elves from reading the Lord of the Rings. OK.

So why would this fictional character of God be relevant to any of us?

 

[Trailblazer]

So says a book.

which is the only way you will ever hear from God.

 

[ppp]

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

Since I'm not arguing that because a lot of people something that it is true, your citation is irrelevant.

If you are going to cite fallacies at least pick applicable ones.

 

[F1fan]

No, that is not about atheists because they will not have eternal life.

But eternal life isn't a real thing, so your quote must also be irrelevant.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you have special knowledge that a God exists? You can't know what a God wants and needs unless it exists as a fact.

Is this what you are claiming now?

The only way to know about God is through Scripture that comes through a Messenger of God.
That is how I know what God wants and needs.

“Attract the hearts of men, through the call of Him, the one alone Beloved. Say: This is the Voice of God, if ye do but hearken. This is the Day Spring of the Revelation of God, did ye but know it. This is the Dawning-Place of the Cause of God, were ye to recognize it. This is the Source of the commandment of God, did ye but judge it fairly. This is the manifest and hidden Secret; would that ye might perceive it.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 34

 

[ppp]

I do know what God wants and needs, and what God does not want or need, if it was revealed by Baha'u'llah..

So you say.

It was once about Christianity but now it is about the Baha'i Faith, since few have found it.

When Jesus said that, Christianity was the narrow gate that led to life. It was

So you say.

Seems to me that you are the one trying to limit God.

 

[ppp]

which is the only way you will ever hear from God.

So you say.

 

[Trailblazer]

Since I'm not arguing that because a lot of people something that it is true, your citation is irrelevant.

If you are going to cite fallacies at least pick applicable ones.

The fallacy is applicable since you said that my religion is unbelievable so it can be disregarded.

 

[F1fan]

God does not communicate in a human language. God communicates through the Holy Spirit.

This is a meaningless claim.

Only Messengers can hear the Voice of God because they have a divine nature as well as a human nature.

Who says, Messengers?

Still, it points to a serious limitation of your idea of God. It can't communicate with humans is a serious problem, it should fix that. But perhaps your God can't fix it because it is powerless to do so (or doesn't exist, so no communication will ever come).

God did not create humans with the capacity to understand Him directly because God does not want to speak to humans directly.

Then it should have created humans more advanced since we would be on our own with only a few messengers here and there. It is a bad design and suggests an incompetent God.

Actually, it suggests humans making up excuses for the lack of consistency of human morality and the claims of Gods existing as moral guides.

God only does what God wants to do, not what humans want Him to do.

Oddly it is only humans telling us this, so it could be untruthful. The lack of evidence suggests human deception at play, and the gullible buy into t.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you say.

So I believe, but you can keep waiting to hear from God if you want to.
Meanwhile, you will never know what God actually said.

 

[ppp]

The fallacy is applicable since you said that my religion is unbelievable so it can be disregarded.

Which is not an argumentum ad populum. Saying that your religion is unbelievable that it can be disregarded has nothing to do with popular belief. Sheesh

 

[Trailblazer]

So you say.

Seems to me that you are the one trying to limit God.

I do not have to limit God and I have no such capacity....
God limits Himself by only doing what He chooses to do.

 

[ppp]

So I believe, but you can keep waiting to hear from God if you want to.

I am not waiting. I'm just saying that you're claims about the nature of God fail to hold up.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which is not an argumentum ad populum. Saying that your religion is unbelievable that it can be disregarded has nothing to do with popular belief. Sheesh

Okay then, my religion might be true even though many or most people don't believe it is true.
Glad we got that squared away.