That's a huge progression. The texts I read have a lot of fluff, and not much in the way of useful information. They don't strike me as impressive or informative.
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Atheists: If God existed would God……
- Thread starter Trailblazer
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Yeppers...something 24 years give or take. I was told by "you know who" to do some INDEPENDENT research into this Messenger character, and I found out a wealth of information ABOUT him....nothing necessarily that would serve to validate his claims to have been contacted by God.
There were an awful lot people who wanted him dead!
Trailblazer
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No, what is good for them is all in the Writings of Baha'u'llah.... no guessing is required.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not know what kind of foolishness is that? I think you remember I shortened the message given by your Allah to Bahaollah in less than two lines.
I believe that if any God is 'all-mighty', he can make even the most stupid person understand his message. You are basically challenging your Allah.
Yeah, we do not like the way chosen by any God, because without evidence it reeks of charlatanry.
I have already answered your four questions in another post. Why repeat?
He supposedly asked you people to spread the message. Why did he do that? And why did Bahaollah write tomes and tomes of words that you keep posting if he did not want to convince anyone? It seems like a stupid school child who thinks that the longer the answer is, the better marks it will get.
Where is the evidence of this God? And can your 'all-mighty' God not do that without mediators? What kind of twisted God you believe in?
It is a very inefficient kind of God who has sent nine manifestations (according to your count) over thousands of years and still has not been able to achieve his purpose. Then, what good are the proclamations?
Trailblazer
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God has made Himself known to everyone who knows Him.
God is very useful to us.
Christians need one...just ask them.
Don't NEED to know. It is ridiculous to be presuming that such a message WOULD be for each and every human on the planet....and left up to ONE GUY to spread it around. About the time it would get to the 7 Billionth human, that message would probably be pretty damned STALE, doncha think?
Mass murderers. Serial killers. People like trump who are corrupt to their gills. Putin. Stalin. Hitler. Pol Pot. You get where I'm going with this. Lots of troubled people who hurt others. And God can't be bothered to try to guide these troubled souls to better decisions in life?
Like I said, this God is useless.
It's like having a police force that does nothing but play poker.
Trailblazer
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There is evidence.
But God didn't make itself known to you. It made itself known to a guy you trust is telling the truth about it. According to you, you have no idea if God is real. It's a guess.
Trailblazer
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That is not why He wrote anything.
Sounds like circular reasoning to me.
[QUOTE="Trailblazer, post: 7552278, member: 63455"God is very useful to us.[/QUOTE]
Yeah REALLY! If it weren't for God, hardly any of us would even BE here, would we? <chuckle> Some would probably be home watching the Kartrashians or something else as useless.
You cannot POSSIBLY know that!
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
They were not official documents at that time.
He could damn well do whatever He wanted to do with them, He was God's Messenger..
Did you read the reason He threw them into the River?
“A vast, and indeed the greater, proportion of these writings were, alas, lost irretrievably to posterity. No less an authority than MírzáÁqáJán, Bahá’u’lláh’s amanuensis, affirms, as reported by Nabíl, that by the express order of Bahá’u’lláh, hundreds of thousands of verses, mostly written by His own hand, were obliterated and cast into the river. “Finding me reluctant to execute His orders,” MírzáÁqá Ján has related to Nabíl, “Bahá’u’lláh would reassure me saying: ‘None is to be found at this time worthy to hear these melodies.’ …Not once, or twice, but innumerable times, was I commanded to repeat this act.” God Passes By, p. 138
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
And you cannot possibly know what you CLAIM to know either.
Ahhhh I see, the old "so's yer mother" response. Ok
Um, 24 years you say? Well that's bad luck. I wonder what he did to get 24 years. Hitler only got 2.
So at 24 years that is 288 months, and with 15,000 tablets that is about two per day. That allows a good number per month to throw away.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You are not going to get it from God directly, you are ONLY going to get it from God through Baha'u'llah.
You do not have to accept it, but you asked and I answered.
You did not get anything from God so you cannot know anything about God.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You have a good point.
The message of world unity applies to everyone.
The message about who God is also applies to everyone...
I could do on.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
God is not responsible for human corruption.
NOTHING could be more absurd.
So you have to guess that Baha'u'llah isn't a fraud. I mean, without a God how would a person know if they got suckered in? Look at Jonestown. Look at the Hale Bopp comet suicide cult. Look at the Branch Davidians. People are easily duped to believe. For we critical thinkers we need evidence, not just claims of having truth.