This is totally stupid. The historical consensus is that Jesus was a real historical person. These anti-theists are extremists.
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Atheists Pressure MI School District to Stop Treating the Birth of Jesus as Fact
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Jose Fly
Fisker of men
????????? So the government not being allowed to promote your religion for you is totalitarianism?As I understand history and the mandate given by the scriptures Christians believe in as well as the 1st Amendment... it will never come to an end
You have just expressed the totalitarian viewpoint.
I don't think that word means what you think it does.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Sorry, but this isn't a theocracy, and you will not use my tax dollars to promote your religious beliefs. It has nothing to do with atheism. Jews, muslims, and hindus aren't atheists, but I'm fairly certain they're not keen on the notion of the government promoting Christianity, either.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
That's a very good point. The Freedom from Religion Foundation is not an exclusively atheist organization.
It pretty much is. I can't see any theists being big supporters of them.
Earthling
David Henson
Isn't it funny how you often have to explain yourself to someone who is somewhat angered by your position? That's what I'm doing now. I did it last night and this morning as well.
I don't complain about evolution being taught in science class. I couldn't care less. It was taught to me and it means nothing to me. It's indoctrination just like I said they had with religion in the Dark Ages. Just like with alchemy and just like with astrology. Don't worry. It's your turn now. Stop whining.
That's why it's irrelevant. I was taught evolution and don't buy it. My grandfather was taught religion and he didn't buy it. Is Pluto a planet? Are eggs good or bad for you? Will it rain today? What exploded in the big bang?
Nobody knows and nobody cares.
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Jose Fly
Fisker of men
As noted by @Father Heathen above, adherents to non-Christian religions have a definitive interest in not having their government promote and endorse Christianity.
I was talking about the FFRF.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Good.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
So was I. It's not an exclusively atheist organization.
Which I said that I doubt.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
No, they're not. They're ordinary people who support the establishment clause, and don't support the iron fist of religiosity being brought down upon them, using their tax dollars no less.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
I know non-atheists who are members, so.....yeah.
Within the context of what you said, it was.
"For a very long time, Christians have been able to use the public school system to evangelize students. Those days are rapidly coming to an end."
This is a "PUBLIC" school. You don't check out your religious beliefs when you enter a public school. For it to "come to an end" makes it a totalitarian position - dictionary.com
- exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
Is that revelations!!!!
Sort of the literal vs metaphor vs jesus died so we dont have to read that verse dialog in religion."Selective outrage", is another term for hypocrisy.
With your position, in context of the OP, what songs can you sing?
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Um.....are you aware that "public school" is another way of saying "government school"?
And no one is saying you have to. All that's going on here is that the government cannot endorse and promote a specific religion. Not that hard to understand.
By your reasoning, any law constitutes "totalitarianism". A 20 mph speed limit in a school zone is the government exercising control over my freedom to drive however I want. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Well, that's how your argument sounds.
Or they are radicals who don't want religious people to have freedom?
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
By your logic, slaves were totalitarian. After all, they wanted to restrict the freedom of slaveowners to own slaves.