Atheists Pressure MI School District to Stop Treating the Birth of Jesus as Fact

[Bob the Unbeliever]

"Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain[2][nb 1][nb 2][nb 3][nb 4][nb 5] although they differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the details of his life that have been described in the gospels.[nb 6][9][nb 7][11]:168–173 While scholars have criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness,[nb 8] with very few exceptions such critics generally do support the historicity of Jesus and reject the Christ myth theory that Jesus never existed.[13][nb 9][15][16][17]"

Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia

The idea that Jesus never existed is a fringe theory.

Most amusing. Cite a Popularity Contest as your ... "source". Run by a group who exists in a principally Christian Society.

And it supports your delusions.... of course it does!

 

[Shiranui117]

I think he's a myth. So do all the latest, most modern scholars, studying the archaeology of the Middle East. So do the majority of scholars that are not brainwashed by Xian Tradition.

The fact that there is not one single document, statue, stone-carving that mentions "jesus" during his alleged life?

Is all the proof I need that he's 100% myth.

"All" of them? I very highly doubt that.
1: Jesus was a Jewish peasant. Nobody writes about Jewish peasants, much less spends the money to erect statues of them, especially in a country where statues of anybody are hard to find, unless it's the Romans making statues of their governors or emperors, which would not have all sat well with the local aniconic Jewish population. Surely you have better arguments than this.
2: Even any court records of Jesus before Pilate or the Sanhedrin wouldn't be expected to survive, given a) that Jerusalem was sacked and razed to the ground by the Romans, and b) we only have a small fragment of the documents and literature from Roman times to begin with, even in important Roman cities such as Rome, Constantinople and Alexandria.
3: We have works such as the Didache being written as early as 17 years after Jesus' death, detailing the ritual life of Christians. Do you really think a mere historical fabrication would catch on and give rise to an organized religion so quickly after the presumably falsified events?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes.... there is always "a difference" to make it ok. It is always "different" I'm always at a loss at what rights Christians have that others don't.

Seriously? A quick and dirty example: Your religions' view of Marriage is so ubiquitous, that it takes legal precadence over other models of Marriage, and has for centuries. It literally took a Supreme Court Fight to over come a basic Marriage Equality condition. And your sort are still complaining about that, and trying to reverse it.

But wait! There's more! Adoption: If parents are wanting to adopt? In the majority of states, due to Overt Christian Privilege? If the parents are not church-goers? They will have a much harder time adopting. Worse-- if it's a Single Parent, or even worse-- if they are a same sex couple.

Shall I go on?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You have just expressed the totalitarian viewpoint.

Translation: You wish to return to the state where Christianity is Unquestioned in Public Schools, or be Punished.

Who's totalitarian, again?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

"All" of them? I very highly doubt that..

So? Considering your "source"... your standard for what is real is quite low...

1: Jesus was a Jewish peasant. Nobody writes about Jewish peasants, much less spends the money to erect statues of them, especially in a country where statues of anybody are hard to find, unless it's the Romans making statues of their governors or emperors, which would not have all sat well with the local aniconic Jewish population. Surely you have better arguments than this..

Appeal to Emotions, without a shred of actual evidence or reference.

Logical Fail.

2: Even any court records of Jesus before Pilate or the Sanhedrin wouldn't be expected to survive, given a) that Jerusalem was sacked and razed to the ground by the Romans, and b) we only have a small fragment of the documents and literature from Roman times to begin with, even in important Roman cities such as Rome, Constantinople and Alexandria..

Another Appeal to Emotions-- again, without a shred of supportive fact.

We have actual documents, from the time when "Jesus" allegedly lived, that chronicle the olive oil sales... A very mundane event-- but there exist records.

NONE SUCH for your alleged Jesus. Not. One. Word.

Since you are convinced he was a GOD? And that there were countless ... MIRACLES?

Why no mention? .

3: We have works such as the Didache being written as early as 17 years after Jesus' death, detailing the ritual life of Christians. Do you really think a mere historical fabrication would catch on and give rise to an organized religion so quickly after the presumably falsified events?

False. Known to be edited much-much later to fabricate "proof".

In any case? Too little, Too Late: I asked for writings DURING the supposed life of your myth.

You cannot find any.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

This is totally stupid. The historical consensus is that Jesus was a real historical person. These anti-theists are extremists.

"Historical consensus"? By whom? Which groups? Mostly Christians? yeah... we thought as much...

Moreover? History isn't a popularity contest... is it?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It pretty much is. I can't see any theists being big supporters of them.

Actually? A large chunk of the membership is-- as they do not want the Government to Dictate what the word "God" means-- as is the case with "In God We Trust"-- where the government Officially stated the phrase is a non-religious motto-- meaning the word "God" in that phrase does not match ANYONE's actual god...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Or they are radicals who don't want religious people to have freedom?

In contrast with Radical Believers who wish to return to a Time When They Could Force their Belief onto all children in Public School? You know-- like in the 1950's, 1960's and as late as the 1970's too...

That sort of radical?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Most amusing. Cite a Popularity Contest as your ... "source". Run by a group who exists in a principally Christian Society.

And it supports your delusions.... of course it does!

*Clicks ignore*

In parting, I'm not even a Christian. Learn how to read.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sometime the obvious goes beyond one's head.

Irony duly noted.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

*Clicks ignore*

In parting, I'm not even a Christian. Learn how to read.

LMAO! If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? It's a duck.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Once again the State religion of Atheistic Secularism is being forced on people.

Hardly. Now Jesus probably was a real person. His birth in Bethlehem is almost certainly a made up story. He was probably born where his name implies that he was born, in Nazareth.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yes.... there is always "a difference" to make it ok. It is always "different" I'm always at a loss at what rights Christians have that others don't.

How many Jewish religious days are public holidays? How many Hindu ones?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

As I understand history and the mandate given by the scriptures Christians believe in as well as the 1st Amendment... it will never come to an end It's called freedom.

You have just expressed the totalitarian viewpoint.

The supreme court disagrees wkth your understanding.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Good.

Don't encourage people saying "I could care less", please.

 

[Subduction Zone]

They really don't know any better. It's not unlike atheists teaching evolution as science in public schools for what? Really the hopes of undermining religion? Like the future will be a brighter place. Oh, but it's true. It's fact. Anyone who doesn't accept that is merely ignorant and in need of the proper education. Indoctrination just like what failed the religious before you.

Sorry, but evolution is supported by literally mountains of scientific evidence. Only the ignorant oppose it. It is not an atheist matter either since far more Christians accept the fact of evolution than atheists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Or they are radicals who don't want religious people to have freedom?

Freedom of religion does not mean having the right to force your religion on others.

 

[Jose Fly]

Don't encourage people saying "I could care less", please.

Sorry 'bout that. It's always bugged me too.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Once again the State religion of Atheistic Secularism is being forced on people.

Nope. If a teacher gets to say 'Jesus is fake', then you'd have a point.
Incidentally, I'd be protesting against that with you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Once again the State religion of Atheistic Secularism is being forced on people.

If you are going to make a "statement of fact" in a school, Ken, it should at least be that...a statement of fact. I have no objection to such statements in church. I actually have not much objection to saying, in a school, "there are those who believe that the nativity was an historical event, but such a thing cannot now be verified." That would be a truthful statement, and therefore quite justified within the education system.

But to state, in a multicultural classroom, that "Jesus was born of a virgin, and is God, and anybody who says otherwise is wrong," would not be justified, because there is not a single shred of any evidence to support such a claim. Why God failed to provide such evidence is a mystery, I suppose, but there it is...