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Atheists Pressure MI School District to Stop Treating the Birth of Jesus as Fact
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Earthling
David Henson
"300 million or so" Don't you wish.
"The United States of America [which is all we're talking about] and Mexico have the largest Jehovah’s Witness populations not only in North America but in the world. They have 1,232,293 and 871,207 peak publishers respectively, "
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Yes, and the last chart you put up that I seen just a short while ago had something like 300 million. Thus the point. Your charts suck.
Skwim
Veteran Member
And just how does this speak to your claim that the number of bible believers is somehow relevant to the number of those who believe in evolution? After all, that is the thrust of your rather odd comment in post 102 that's at issue. The one where you said:
"The Bible is the truth and the truth shall set ye free! More Christians believe in the Bible than anyone believes in evolution."
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It was actually a Pew Research chart which shows the those who believe evolution isn't real are in the minority. BTW, are you suggesting that ALL JW's believe the exact same way about evolution? If so, can you explain THAT phenomenon? I could come up with a good explanation, but it wouldn't speak too favorably about it. It has to do with brainwashing.
ecco
Veteran Member
And yet, look at this comment in your selected quote:
While scholars have criticized Jesus scholarship for religious bias and lack of methodological soundness
While Jesus historicity may currently be the commonly accepted view, any views based on "lack of methodological soundness " and "religious bias" are destined for the dustheap.
More from your link (my emphases)
All extant sources that mention Jesus were written after his death. ... Many scholars have questioned the authenticity and reliability of these sources, and few events mentioned in the gospels are universally accepted.[11]:181
In Books 18 and 20 of Antiquities of the Jews, written around AD 93 to 94, Josephus twice refers to the biblical Jesus. The general scholarly view holds that the longer passage, known as the Testimonium Flavianum, most likely consists of an authentic nucleus that was subjected to later Christian interpolation or forgery.
The bottom line is that there are no writings about Jesus during his, alleged, lifetime. None. No one thought enough about the sermon on the mount to record it. No one thought enough about wine and fishes to bother to write about it. After thousands of years of research, the pendulum is swinging from acceptance to rejection.In Books 18 and 20 of Antiquities of the Jews, written around AD 93 to 94, Josephus twice refers to the biblical Jesus. The general scholarly view holds that the longer passage, known as the Testimonium Flavianum, most likely consists of an authentic nucleus that was subjected to later Christian interpolation or forgery.
ecco
Veteran Member
Do you have any facts that provide evidence to that assertion?
I am an atheist.
I believe Kennedy was killed by one person. There is ample evidence to support that belief.
I believe 9/11 was led by Osama Bin Laden. There is ample evidence to support that belief.
I believe man landed on the moon. There is ample evidence to support that belief.
I believe Muhammed was an actual person. There is ample evidence to support that belief.
I am not a conspiracy theorist.
RE: An actual historical Jesus...There is no evidence to support that belief.
ecco
Veteran Member
Celebrations around the time of the Winter Solstice predate Christianity by thousands of years.
Earthling
David Henson
And y'all get really bent out of shape if you try to take evolution out of the schools, don't 'cha? All those little Christian kiddies incited first by big lizards, which now turns out to have been large chickens. Let's see how that changes the curriculum. Then pound in their heads monkey men stooped over a fire and bangin' the ladies with a club and dragin' 'em off in the woods by their hair and the next thing you know you've got an army of you guys feeling all liberated and intellectually superior to the ignorant unbelievers in your version of bovine excrement!
The answer to your problems. Answer what the teacher tells 'ya! Blind to history as it repeats itself. Like I said - they did the same thing with astrology and, you guessed it - the Bible.
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Earthling
David Henson
I'm sure if you scroll through it another billyun times it will evolve into something remotely resembling the evolution of comprehension.
ecco
Veteran Member
What does that even mean?
Are you sure you didn't mean to say "More Christians believe in parts of the Bible"
There are very few Fundamentalist Christians who take all of the Bible as the literal word of God. And even within this small group, there are those that twist the actual words to conform to their own views; a day is not really a day, it could be millions of years.
ecco
Veteran Member
ecco
Veteran Member
Are Jehovah's Witnesses allowed to take part in surveys?
ecco
Veteran Member
Like nonsensical failed predictions about Jesus return? If people making such predictions are wrong on multiple occasions, how ignorant must the followers be to continue believing?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I would say that there is no reliable evidence that supports a historical Jesus. One poster here has a huge problem with me calling the evidence for Jesus "crappy evidence" . Yet he can't find any reliable evidence himself. The closest he came was a fraudulent Josephus quote.
The claim that the only evidence for a historical one is an observation. It could be refuted with one reliable source and get no one can seem to find any.
ecco
Veteran Member
And the bands at our local public schools will continue to play "We are the Champions" a song written and performed by a bunch of homosexuals, which you are free not to go to.Why, thank you!And the band at our local public schools will continue to play "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" for the enjoyment of the audience, which you are free not to go to.
Historical Note:
We Are The Champions by Queen - Songfacts
In 1992, a New Jersey high school helped revive this song in America. Students in Clifton, New Jersey asked to sing it at their graduation, but the principal refused because he associated it with Freddie Mercury, who had died of AIDS the year before.
ecco
Veteran Member
There are a few other instances where all members of a group believe exactly the same way. One notable example is The Borg.
ecco
Veteran Member
Watch Tower Society unfulfilled predictions - Wikipedia
...predictions about Christ'sSecond Coming and the advent of God's Kingdom, each of which has gone unfulfilled. Almost all the predictions for 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918 and 1925 were later reinterpreted...
Yeah, let's talk about repeated historical blindness.
What do you mean? All of those were fulfilled, just invisibly. You can't actually see the events, but they happened nonetheless, exactly as predicted, like that new Lamborghini sitting in my driveway that was prophesied would be there when I woke up today. It's there, but only true believers can see it.
Yes, but none of those are specifically the Christian holiday celebrating the Nativity of Christ. Falling around the same day doesn't make them the same holiday.
Earthling
David Henson
Yes it could. From God's perspective. Just because someone interprets the scripture different than I do doesn't mean that they don't believe in the Bible.
The point was being made to me that most Christians believe in evolution. I doubt this, but I countered the argument with the idea that more Christians believe in the Bible than evolution. It's a general statement that switches the position to demonstrate the moot point of the original argument.
All my friends are doing it! If all your friends were jumping off a cliff would you do it? The argument itself is weak because the poor idiot probably would jump off a cliff if all his friends were doing it.