And more places, yes, not anywhere exclusively.
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Atheists: What if?
- Thread starter savagewind
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And more places, yes, not anywhere exclusively.
Dogma isn't defining of theism, either; just look at the mystics.
adi2d
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Here's ample proof of divine creative intelligence: NO WAY HOZAY could this exquisite creature have happened by pure random chance-
That looks like proof of skilled doctors to me
Yes, but those things aren't atheism, aren't internet and differ between us.
It's not rocket science mate-
"If you hang around with losers, you become a loser"- Donald Trump
For example I know a middleaged christian street preacher who hangs with losers and he admits they "drain him of energy", and as a result his life has become a sloppy disorganised mess, he's been hauled up court twice for not paying his council tax, he's had his electricity and phone cut off for not paying the bills, and he's got two failed marriages behind him, etc etc.
"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Provs 13:20)
I've tried to help him by telling him to stay clear of losers, but he seems drawn to them like a moth to a flame and has become a loser himself, so now I stay clear of him..
Why don't you guys pray?
Matthew 21:22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”
Problem solved, if you really have faith.
People driving Aston Martins have usually difficulties understanding that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.""
Don't you think so?
Ciao
- viole
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I don't think it was suggested that it was definitive.
Rejection of theism is.
Edit: Perhaps we differ in opinion on what dogma is for.
There is no atheist dogma, those beliefs stem from other philosophies.
Edit I see your edit. What is dogma to you? Though I don't think it matters since everything ruse comes from somewhere else
Dogma is statements laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Such statements get made about atheism, including the definitive ones--that atheism is rejection of or lack of belief about god, that atheism entails no belief in god--and their authority is whatever or whomever one holds above them to dictate that truth, be it the concrete truth spoken by other people, the incontrovertible belief in a book (like the dictionary), or their own thought structure based on proven reliable philosophical ideas that leads them to a firm conclusion.
Edit: Forgot to add that the statements are the foundational ideas on which everything that follows them is built.
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I wasn't aware that atheism had authority figures. That understanding stems from definition not authority. I'm not accepting that out of dogma or authority but by its explanatory power.
Your post is reaching and doesn't change the fact atheism isn't more then one claim. Or rejection of a claim
Fair enough. What claim is atheism?
Shuttlecraft
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1- Prayer is like a butterlies wing effect, it can start an almost unnoticed chain reaction that could kick in days weeks or even years later. If you want "instant magic" watch a Penn and Teller show..
2- Hanging with losers is fine at first, so you can turn them into winners, but if they stubbornly refuse to listen, that's when Jesus says "walk"..
3- If rich people like sitting on big wads of cash they'll answer to Jesus for it, but if they give truckloads away that's fine..
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
What is a god in the first place? Sounds like a placeholder for ignorance
1- Prayer is like a butterlies wing effect, it can start an almost unnoticed chain reaction that could kick in days weeks or even years later. If you want "instant magic" watch a Penn and Teller show..
The same can be said of coincidence.
Depending on the atheist its either the belief in no gods, the rejection of god claims.
Close, but not quite. "God", or the term I prefer to use in order not to lend undue significance to monotheism and Abrahamism, "deity", is a nearly meaningless word.
Its closests one-word synonyms with clear meanings are "mystery" and "placeholder".
While many fundamentalists like to present it as if it were in some sense an answer, it is usually the opposite instead: the admission of not having any true answers or explanations. That is why "Creationism", which I prefer to call anti-Evolutionism, is so inherently tied to ignorance and fear of knowledge.
In fact, the main reason why the concept survives and endures is, ironically enough, because it is so powerfully obfuscative. No one really knows what anyone else understands by a deity without a lot of effort, so making use of the concept often leads to an appearance of agreement in environments that would otherwise have none to speak of.
That can be a powerful draw for many. But is IMO a mistake with grave consequences even in communities where for whatever reason sincere theism is well spread and well accepted.
A god is an imaginary supernatural entity theists put in as an explanation for or answer to any problem or question they don't know the explanation for or answer to. We have an instinctive fear of the unknown. Making a god responsible gives theists an imaginary explanation and makes the unknown known. They also think they can have an influence on the situation by appealing to this god. It's just a psychological crutch helping them cope with the unknown.
So... one claim per authority. Good enough.
1- Prayer is like a butterlies wing effect, it can start an almost unnoticed chain reaction that could kick in days weeks or even years later. If you want "instant magic" watch a Penn and Teller show..
In your mind, maybe. Matthew does not say anything about butterfly effects. That is a subject of chaos theory which hardly fits with allegedly non-chaotic Gods.
Matthew says: whatever you ask in prayer will be granted, if you have faith.
You could pray to have what you want immediately, and this is still part of "whatever you ask".
I don't see any strings attached in the verse, really. Do you?
You are probably trying to rationalize some prayers of yours that did not work as fast as you wished, or are still pending. Like most prayers, I expect.
But the fact that they did not work as soon as expected has only three rational explanations:
1) There is no answerer of prayers because Matthew is a fairy tale
2) You forgot to give explicit time constraints (and God could not guess them)
3) You do not have enough faith
It is your call, really.
Where does Jesus say "walk" from losers?2- Hanging with losers is fine at first, so you can turn them into winners, but if they stubbornly refuse to listen, that's when Jesus says "walk"..
I don't think they are really worried to answer to Jesus. Why is that, in your opinion?3- If rich people like sitting on big wads of cash they'll answer to Jesus for it, but if they give truckloads away that's fine..
Ciao
- viole
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Shuttlecraft
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Yes, we don't know whether it's coincidence or God at work..
For examp, 15 years ago I lived on the 18th floor of a tower block in the English midlands and could see for many miles in all directions, and thought to myself- "Huh, I wish I could see a bit of water out there somewhere, a river, lake, stream or duckpond, but there's absolutely zilch, just houses, trees and fields"
But now here in Plymouth I can look out my window and see the Atlantic ocean 50 yards away!
The funny thing is, I only ended up accidentally in Plymouth by a long chain of amazing coincidences over the years, as if some great film director in the sky was stage-managing things to get me a sea view like I'd always wanted.
Or of course it could just be blind random coincidence..
My place ringed-
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