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That is just not true. There is strong evidence that time dilation occurs.
I meant one belief or system of beliefs - as in religious beliefs - so not about any particular religion. Why are these different from any of the other beliefs that we have had and held erroneously? A search will find plenty that have been believed, even in science, but were wrong. Why are these particular beliefs, even if they tend to coalesce around the one God, any more likely to be true just because many do believe them? Their durability after all might just reflect on their usefulness.
Well the sun-worshippers, even the modern variety, do at least have factual evidence on their side, since an absence of this rather useful heat source would see our prompt deaths - so I can forgive them of that. But you can see how beliefs were probably much more primitive in earlier times and went through a process much like everything else to do with humans - some becoming sophisticated and some not so much.
Straw man...
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I don't need to.
My sister is a Christian and no matter what happens... God comes out smelling all rosy. She prays and prays for a friend, and they get better... "God is so good and he healed her." The person dies... "Well, it was God's will. She's in a better place now." Oh, and speaking of cake, my sister brings out a birthday cake for Jesus on Christmas. But like with other people in other religions, to her, everybody else is illogical, irrational, and idiotic? She'll say, "It's all right there in the Bible". Or with others, "It's all there in the Quran". Or, "It's all there in the Baha'i Writings".
Wisdom regarding human behaviour and aspects of life can be informed and useful at most stages of existence. I'm not disputing such things or their value, but more on the less informed beliefs that probably arose as to giving agency to natural phenomena or the origins of anything, including humans and/or existence itself. These seem to have taken the path of primitive, and mostly wrong, to more sophisticated, and where they still can be wrong, even if they make sense to our seeking minds. A bit of magic - miracles perhaps - can often go a long way as to reinforcing such beliefs.
I think we need to go a lot further back than this, if as informed by science the human race can be classified as being between 200,000 and 300,000 years old. Not much happened in such time periods according to the evidence we have (very little) as to effect change in any meaningful way, especially when writing seemingly was not in evidence. Our later spurt, as to tool-use and writing explains a lot, but essentially they were the same physically and probably mentally as those a lot earlier and progress itself (how knowledge tends to behave) explains this, as it does for all modern discoveries. That is, that knowledge tends to build on itself regardless, even if little blips often occur because of circumstances.
Because humans are responsible for themselves and other humans.
But you will never get the same evidence for Thor. In fact, there is no evidence for Thor, but there is evidence for the one true God.
Make-believe has no power but the one true God is all-powerful, although He chooses to use that power at His own discretion.
That was not intended to be part of any dialogue. I just posted what I found on a website because I found it informative.
That God exists and sent Messengers such as Baha’u’llah.
No, there is not, not according to the definition of verifiable evidence.
No, never, for obvious reasons that I see no need to repeat again.
Both science and religion are based upon reality. Science deals with the material reality and religion deals with spiritual reality.
It does not show it to you, but who cares? What is obvious to most people in the world completely eludes atheists.
The fact that you can't get agreement about religion is strong evidence that people all think and process evidence differently. It is incredible that you cannot understand something that simple, but you cannot understand it because you do not try to understand it and your confirmation bias prevents you from understanding it.
Before the time of Jesus, how different was the God of Israel to the God's of other people? The God's needed animals to be sacrificed to them. They helped them in battles. Ordered them to kill other people that believed in different Gods. They demanded obedience to the rules and people were stoned to death for disobeying.
All humans are fallible so sometimes we make mistakes and we do not always realize it until later and maybe we never realize it.
I cannot show it to you; you have to figure it out for yourself, or not. But as long as you are obsessed with this IDEA of objective truth, you will never come to realize that there is no such thing as objective truth, there is just truth.
Material happiness is not the SAME as spiritual happiness. Material happiness is just an illusion and only lasts until we die, and then it is gone forever.
I did not say that. I said there is no danger of them taking over the world.
Religion is different than science so it is held to a different standard.
You continue to conflate science and religion. You are completely illogical and there is nothing I can do about that. It is hopeless trying to reason with you.
What about plain English do you NOT understand?
No, it is not what the one true God actually did. It is what men wrote about God, anthropomorphism..
That is what I believe it was, people making up Gods to scare people into believing.. It was the words of men, not the words of God or Jesus.
Yes, there are some scary things, and I would heed those warnings since they were written by a Manifestation of God.