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Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

Sheldon

Sheldon

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samtonga43 said:
If everyone views it differently, it is not objective evidence. You don't seem to know the difference between subjective and objective.
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That is precisely the impression I had from the very start. Though TB has vacillated between claiming there is no objective evidence, and now claiming the opposite of course.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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Trailblazer said:
Do you really want it? Okay, below are the claims followed by the evidence.

Baha’u’llah’s Two Bold Claims

All of which leads us back to Baha’u’llah, who made two very bold claims. First, he declared he was God’s messenger for the next one thousand years, having the same divine authority, the same Holy Spirit, the same divine power, as Moses, Christ, Muhammad, and the other founders of the major world religions:

Baha’u’llah made a second and even more challenging claim. He declared he was the promised world messiah foretold in all the prophecies, in all the holy books, of all the religions of the world – the one promised to come on the Day of Judgment, the Day of God, the Time of the End, the End of the World, to establish the kingdom of God on Earth.
https://bahaiteachings.org/what-did-bahaullah-teach?
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Below is a list of the primary categories of evidence that support the claims above.

1. His character (His qualities).
That can be determined by reading about Him in books such as the following:
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4

2. His Revelation is what He accomplished (His Mission on earth, i,e., the history of the Baha'i Faith).
That can be determined by reading about His mission in books such as the following:
God Passes By (1844-1944)
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.

3. His Writings which can be found in books that are posted online: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh

4. Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies that refer to the return of Christ and the promised Messiah. That proves to me He was the Messiah and the return of Christ. Those prophecies and how they were fulfilled are delineated in the following book:
William Sears, Thief in the Night

5. Baha'u'llah predicted many events that later came to pass. Some of these predictions and how they came to pass are listed and delineated in this book: The Challenge of Baha'u'llah
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All I see are 5 subjective claims, and some links? Do you think I'm off to find the objective evidence for you? Think again, you claimed there was objective evidence, can you or can you not demonstrate anything approaching objective evidence?

Anything in fact beyond the kind of subjective unevidenced claims we see here?
 
R

rational experiences

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If I got visions with my brothers voice recorded by a large recording. Then wouldn't you believe it your self?

And not realise it an AI man of science effect?

I knew as awareness female psychic healer it was a recording vision. How would you have felt?

If you caused a once supportive gas mass to water held to pressure to garden oxygenation wouldn't you feel and know and be made aware of separation yet not be separated?

When first you weren't separated by causes?

Only because gas burning is gas burning CH evaluations. It goes away as the gas body. Water gets taken as our life oxygenated so you get irradiated as humans invented causes.

Bio cells blood bone changes.

You see visions. You hear voices. You survive. Ice melted water mass returned that the atmosphere now uses as repressurisation by gas mass.

The water life lost the heavens uses. So pre records life lost by old life water changes again.

Ice is pressured in its mass.

Then solid pressures change. You build a tectonic carpenter earth God change as a cause.

You have to finally agree you were experiencing as a man in science what you caused yourself.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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muhammad_isa said:
It's beyond everybody's understanding.
A creed that is based on something that can't be logically understood is highly suspicious.
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Not at all. The concept of Trinity would only be 'highly suspicious' if it could be logically understood.

muhammad_isa said:
After all, the first commandment stresses G-d's oneness, and changing the creed by adding "and G-d is three persons too" is only a mystery that Christians grow up with.
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“You shall have no other gods before Me.”
The 'ME' is triune.

"All sorts of people are fond of repeating the Christian statement that "God is love." But they seem not to notice that the words 'God is love' have no real meaning unless God contains at least two persons. Love is something that one person has for another person. If God was a single person, then before the world was made, He was not love".
- C.S. Lewis
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

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samtonga43 said:
“You shall have no other gods before Me.”
The 'ME' is triune.
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Then there is hardly any point in the concept of monotheism.

I could claim that the 'ME' is any number I care to,
It makes no difference, other than if you want to divert attention away from the One G-d for some reason.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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muhammad_isa said:
Then there is hardly any point in the concept of monotheism.

I could claim that the 'ME' is any number I care to,
It makes no difference, other than if you want to divert attention away from the One G-d for some reason.
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There is no reason to divert attention away from the One God.

There is one divine nature (Greek: physis); one divine essence (Latin: esse, to be); one divine being (Greek: ousia, that which is); one divine substance (Latin: substantia, substance, concrete reality).

And there are three divine persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)—three personal, distinct, interrelated ways of being the one God.

Three who’s and one what.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

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samtonga43 said:
There is no reason to divert attention away from the One God.
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You seem to have missed it..
Are you saying that there is no major difference in creed between the religion that Jesus was actually following [ Judaism ] and Christianity?
Is there something wrong with Judaism in that it had to be altered so much?
 
K

Kfox

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Trailblazer said:
You should not believe my concept over anyone else's unless you thoroughly investigated my religion and concluded that it is the truth.
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Though I haven't thoroughly investigated your religion, I know enough about it to understand from my perspective; it appears to be far from the truth.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Sheldon said:
You understand that is the very definition of a bare subjective claim right?
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No, it is not a claim, it is a belief.
What about the plain English language do you NOT understand?

I believe that He wrote down what He heard the voice say. You are free to believe whatever you want to.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Kfox said:
Though I haven't thoroughly investigated your religion, I know enough about it to understand from my perspective; it appears to be far from the truth.
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You are certainly free to believe that but I only hope it is based on something other than just a feeling.
 
samtonga43

samtonga43

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Trailblazer said:
No, it is not a claim, it is a belief.
What about the plain English language do you NOT understand?
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When you say that MrB is a messenger from God, I don't know whether that statement is ...
1. A claim that MrB is a messenger from God.
2. A belief that MrB is a messenger from God.
3. A a claim that you believe that MrB is a messenger from God.

I probably don't fully understand 'the plain English language', so can you help?

I believe that He wrote down what He heard the voice say. You are free to believe whatever you want to.[/QUOTE]
Didn't someone write it down for him?
 
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