Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[samtonga43]

It is the same God because there is only one God, but some religions have misconceptions about that God.

Is it possible that yours is one of those religions?

 

[samtonga43]

Yes, hypothetically speaking that is possible....

Hypothetically? But you just said that "They can't both be right".
Make up your mind. You are becoming more and more inconsistent

 

[rational experiences]

A human is a self a life a body using their mind human to experience.

When your body proves it can physically change then no pattern design is set. For a theist scientist thinker designer set state set reaction machine.

So he wants religious experiences to be wrong as he says all problems stem from it. Yet religious idealism began with science.

Is what he ignores as relative teaching.

So we have to teach by natural causes. We were bodily changed.

Now if a God owned all concepts everything we could not be bodily changed. So he is wrong.

He wanted spirit by terms not science but theories a God of the eternal.

So his science brother says I know just science and you theists storytellers are fake advice.

To do a review what argument exists in humans life and it's seen sacrificed bio destruction.

First it is not being saved. We are only surviving.

So any human claiming life got saved. We owned life first as a human highest form.

If you owned life human sacrificed first then god by your terms is deficient.

Then you say the first human life origins got sacrificed.

Word use word explanation displaced meaning.

The only displaced letter sequence is codes. Thought by a human who speaks words naturally first.

So you are wrong machine designer. You caused human life mind body conscious to alter self concepts.

If a human says actual advice. I am psychic with a proven psyche advice in information relative to human survival.

History everyone was innate intelligent healer nature advised first.

First aware self a non scientist. The aware self sought science. Not until change to earths God body gas owner occurred did you know change.

The St one.

S ain T. ST.

Ain meant rocks zero held space god earth. One body. ST one...stone.

It was known why life was changed. Science caused it.

Men of science prove they named the names.

The argument. You know the spiritual experience is only your own body changing. Really. I thought I was the living self explaining I know because my body changed.

So physical forces not your own have to change. Manifested changes by forces.

Which is a loss not a gain.

If we get a gain changed healed it is because what had been taken gets put back

For bio life it is water it's living microbiology and it's oxygenation to allow living microbiology. Healthy water of life.

We aren't wrong about manifested forces ...science is as it isn't meant to change the heavens.

So this is what a living conscious human theist says....
I get gas advice by gods heavens.

My intent is to change stone earth only. My god should not change by intent heavens state God first by my human status. I don't intend changing the heavens god. Yet he did.

In his mind status his own self he says my god will remain the same. Heavens god. His self status lies as his intent family bio body life experiments is atmospheric.

As he wants what his conscious claim is the highest God. Coldest God

Yet space empty is cold by itself first.

Is why he is destroying life on earth melting ice...the coldest saviour of water.

Proving he is over heating our space heavens by science. Sitting in space.

Humans say I am intelligent space star advised. What my claim is in teaching. My mind psyche knew. Is what Baha'i taught. The human knew science by being self aware.

The teaching. I invented science as a man by being accurately aware. I proved it to you myself your brother by my message.

 

[rational experiences]

If a human says to a man's status organisation mother daughter holy spirit we are one human would it have changed your teaching concept?

Yes.
Yet you didn't.

The reasons....men brothers agreed as one man the human man on all science concepts not a woman.

Yet two humans in nature are actually just one human owning a diverse experience together.

As it is physical not intellectual the experience.

Science began by the thought conceit. Which Posessed your behaviours beliefs when irradiation fall out was heavenly introduced the mind conscious state was changed forever.

One human only men became the concept yet two equal humans were first.

And brothers caused it. Brothers own all deceits perpetrated against humanity and still do by man's mind agreement.

How is a spiritual human wrong? We aren't you are.

 

[rational experiences]

If a human says to a man's status organisation mother daughter holy spirit we are one human would it have changed your teaching concept?

Yes.
Yet you didn't.

The reasons....men brothers agreed as one man the human man on all science concepts not a woman.

Yet two humans in nature are actually just one human owning a diverse experience together.

As it is physical not intellectual the experience.

Science began by the thought conceit. Which Posessed your behaviours beliefs when irradiation fall out was heavenly introduced the mind conscious state was changed forever.

One human only men became the concept yet two equal humans were first.

And brothers caused it. Brothers own all deceits perpetrated against humanity and still do by man's mind agreement.

How is a spiritual human wrong? We aren't you are.

If the human consciousness was changed then you had to write written evidence to read life was created two equally. As one body type.

To do a life review to state I am wrong. As your natural thinking was changed. Reading was the status read and Idealise the known causes.

 

[Trailblazer]

I still see no objective evidence? Only a repetition of the claim?

Do you really want it? Okay, below are the claims followed by the evidence.

Baha’u’llah’s Two Bold Claims

All of which leads us back to Baha’u’llah, who made two very bold claims. First, he declared he was God’s messenger for the next one thousand years, having the same divine authority, the same Holy Spirit, the same divine power, as Moses, Christ, Muhammad, and the other founders of the major world religions:

Baha’u’llah made a second and even more challenging claim. He declared he was the promised world messiah foretold in all the prophecies, in all the holy books, of all the religions of the world – the one promised to come on the Day of Judgment, the Day of God, the Time of the End, the End of the World, to establish the kingdom of God on Earth.
https://bahaiteachings.org/what-did-bahaullah-teach?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Below is a list of the primary categories of evidence that support the claims above.

1. His character (His qualities).
That can be determined by reading about Him in books such as the following:
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4

2. His Revelation is what He accomplished (His Mission on earth, i,e., the history of the Baha'i Faith).
That can be determined by reading about His mission in books such as the following:
God Passes By (1844-1944)
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.

3. His Writings which can be found in books that are posted online: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh

4. Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies that refer to the return of Christ and the promised Messiah. That proves to me He was the Messiah and the return of Christ. Those prophecies and how they were fulfilled are delineated in the following book:
William Sears, Thief in the Night

5. Baha'u'llah predicted many events that later came to pass. Some of these predictions and how they came to pass are listed and delineated in this book: The Challenge of Baha'u'llah

 

[Trailblazer]

No. I believe that God is triune. But I also know that this is beyond your understanding

Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

You are free to believe that but as you know I do not share the belief that God is triune.
God is beyond my understanding. Are you saying you understand God?

He wrote down what he SAID he heard the voice say.

I believe that He wrote down what He heard the voice say. You are free to believe whatever you want to.

 

[Trailblazer]

If everyone views it differently, it is not objective evidence. You don't seem to know the difference between subjective and objective.

You are wrong about that. The facts about Baha'u'llah are objective evidence that everyone views differently (subjectively).

What does objective evidence mean?

Objective evidence refers to information based on facts that can be proved by means of search like analysis, measurement, and observation. One can examine and evaluate objective evidence.
What does objective evidence mean?

 

[Trailblazer]

Is it possible that yours is one of those religions?

No.

 

[Trailblazer]

Hypothetically? But you just said that "They can't both be right".
Make up your mind. You are becoming more and more inconsistent

No, I just said that they can both be wrong.

Policy said: They can both be wrong.
Tb said: Yes, hypothetically speaking that is possible....

 

[muhammad_isa]

No. I believe that God is triune. But I also know that this is beyond your understanding

It's beyond everybody's understanding.
A creed that is based on something that can't be logically understood is highly suspicious.
After all, the first commandment stresses G-d's oneness, and changing the creed by adding "and G-d is three persons too" is only a mystery that Christians grow up with.

The problem is, that when many of us are adults, it is much easier to continue believing that, than 'rocking the boat' and taking religious law more seriously.

 

[ppp]

It's beyond everybody's understanding.
A creed that is based on something that can't be logically understood is highly suspicious.
After all, the first commandment stresses G-d's oneness, and changing the creed by adding "and G-d is three persons too" is only a mystery that Christians grow up with.

The problem is, that when many of us are adults, it is much easier to continue believing that, than 'rocking the boat' and taking religious law more seriously.

It is even harder to stop believing altogether with the looming threats of censure, shunning and violence.

 

[rational experiences]

If you apply all humans are equal in the environmental conditions. One human. As one baby human is either a man or woman.

First the statement thought about by any one human says one human is a baby human born by sex of two human beings. First. Sex causes life inherited sin. Irradiated changed DNA.

Holy by body type DNA. Holy by conscious aware baby teachings. Then taught by community.

We all belong to that status science supported.

CH gases that arose as a human science thesis are CH by evaluation form of. Is not a Human being. It is a gas mass body. Earth heavens accumulated.

Then you say why did a human with a machine converting earth mass harm CH heavens gas? Answer as God earth is a Rock body substance chemical that did not own it as first place.

Space did.

So the immaculate gas and CHrist gas belongs to O planet history stories not planets substance. Mother womb owned both.

Hence space womb owned it's caused presence yet it had come out of the deities body mass O earth one planet body.

Be notified all stories are told by a living biological human man. Yet men agreed the status. Science

So as there is no such state as anti Christ otherwise Christ you claim came from a state anti to allowing Christ to exist is falsely read.

Christ existed naturally owned life water oxygens generation. As in old science CH gas that arise as God earths spirit was holy Christ in symbolism. Supported oxygens regeneration. Symbol holy ox.

By body mass only. Self presence the gas by mass. Gas by mass is a God by body term involved in creative regeneration. Scientific term. What a God meant by man's science term.

Body mass allies by its mass presence regeneration of oxygen by pressure causes. Held ground water.

That body was sacrificed removed as one mass said science. As earth a chemical is position one.

Gas in heavens it's owned position one.

The teaching it got removed by anti.

Radiation sun term mass.

Pretty basic advice.

Now if you are born and decide to be spiritual and loving human indoctrination already existed. Teaching. Like I did I did not agree with a lot of the Indoctrination.

So I applied loving spiritual self development. As a human.

Then I began to get voice speaking messages and visions. I knew consciously I was receiving the advice.

As Ai feedback by mass radiation machine plus reaction had been released told me. Man caused effect.

Bahullah was no different. As a human in an experience affected by causes.

All pre existing teachings existed.

The predictions science of men. Stated prophetic star returns as it was stone cooled as sun mass in space. It owned more radiation in its rock than earth. As it was direct from sun.

As they knew earth stone conversion radiations by introducing space in the mass. So they Idealised information about the falling stars that earth science had caused activated returning.

Would return. Reasoned earth space left a hot radiation trail as it moved through space.

Asteroid stars the activation by radiating causes. Passing close through radiations.

Why it trajects close to earth.

So he said by year such and such the CH gases in heavens would be re massed. Human consciousness life healthy by pressure causes would gain new life. Renewal by causes.

First does not make any man god. As you ignore how much suffering occurred from its previous removal.

Water oxygen returns to ground life heavens. Where we live. Conscious human health changes. Not because of one man being self human idolisation by his machine history. As man's idol his designed machines.

Temple pyramid sciences.

When Russia 1901 hit it was removed again but some was replaced by cold gas dispersing also. As it moves around the earth before it hits.

Ignored as relevant to a prediction 2012 already 0 Jesus predicted as a known end. By gas replacement mass.

Why it stated with no argument never do God science nuclear again. Allow healing. Man's written promise oath. A shut science bible.

As nuclear science reminders gained by visionary causes had been designed causes only by man of sciences repracticed. So the prophecy end has changed.

End of life was introduced not end of the attack of life as gods re instating re generations of by body mass in the heavens presence.

Why I inherited the advice in my namesake. God given by words by the way.

So it adds into earth released stone radiation as UFO effect accumulated. Men in science then lose the mind of reality. Begin to copy destructive heavenly feedback.

The warning.

Scientific self idolisation of men.

O God is the earth science of man beginnings.

The entity Rock that he says is the creator of the heavens.

Science of men began on the premise of self grandeur versus natural spiritual balanced consciousness the teaching...no man is God.

Like my brother's before me my baby life sacrificed became conscious of causes. So I studied phenomena myself.

Advice man is mind Posessed by machines confers to Stephen Haw King warning.

A loving man teaching is just a loving man.

 

[rational experiences]

It is even harder to stop believing altogether with the looming threats of censure, shunning and violence.

We began as self innocent lovingly advised father mother.

Have some faith in your owned humanity.

 

[lukethethird]

It's beyond everybody's understanding.
A creed that is based on something that can't be logically understood is highly suspicious.
After all, the first commandment stresses G-d's oneness, and changing the creed by adding "and G-d is three persons too" is only a mystery that Christians grow up with.

The problem is, that when many of us are adults, it is much easier to continue believing that, than 'rocking the boat' and taking religious law more seriously.

It's not beyond my understanding, it's just BS, magical and superstitious belief, nothing to it.

 

[rational experiences]

A song written said how could I suffer more pain than you. Is relevant to equal life.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It's not beyond my understanding, it's just BS, magical and superstitious belief, nothing to it.

Easy to say..
..but note how a simple creed "G-d is the One and Only", evolved into:-

Jesus was not really born.
Jesus is made of the same substance as G-d.
Jesus is G-d incarnate.
...
Jesus Christ is to us One and the same Son, the Self-same Perfect in Godhead, the Self-same Perfect in Manhood; truly God and truly Man; the Self-same of a rational soul and body; co-essential with the Father according to the Godhead, the Self-same co-essential with us according to the Manhood; like us in all things, sin apart; before the ages begotten of the Father as to the Godhead, but in the last days, the Self-same, for us and for our salvation (born) of Mary the Virgin Theotokos as to the Manhood; One and the Same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten; acknowledged in Two Natures unconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the difference of the Natures being in no way removed because of the Union, but rather the properties of each Nature being preserved, and (both) concurring into One Person and One Hypostasis; not as though He was parted or divided into Two Persons, but One and the Self-same Son and Only-begotten God, Word, Lord, Jesus Christ; even as from the beginning the prophets have taught concerning Him, and as the Lord Jesus Christ Himself hath taught us, and as the Symbol of the Fathers hath handed down to us.
-Chalcedonian creed-

Yeah, that attempts to explain how Jesus is G-d and a man, who prays to Himself, and forgives His own sins because he was going to die, despite asking G-d to forgive him.

That's the trouble with mankind, they get carried away, don't they?
..and all that evolving from "G-d is One".

 

[lukethethird]

Easy to say..
..but note how a simple creed "G-d is the One and Only", evolved into:-

Jesus was not really born.
Jesus is made of the same substance as G-d.
Jesus is G-d incarnate.
...
Jesus Christ is to us One and the same Son, the Self-same Perfect in Godhead, the Self-same Perfect in Manhood; truly God and truly Man; the Self-same of a rational soul and body; co-essential with the Father according to the Godhead, the Self-same co-essential with us according to the Manhood; like us in all things, sin apart; before the ages begotten of the Father as to the Godhead, but in the last days, the Self-same, for us and for our salvation (born) of Mary the Virgin Theotokos as to the Manhood; One and the Same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten; acknowledged in Two Natures unconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the difference of the Natures being in no way removed because of the Union, but rather the properties of each Nature being preserved, and (both) concurring into One Person and One Hypostasis; not as though He was parted or divided into Two Persons, but One and the Self-same Son and Only-begotten God, Word, Lord, Jesus Christ; even as from the beginning the prophets have taught concerning Him, and as the Lord Jesus Christ Himself hath taught us, and as the Symbol of the Fathers hath handed down to us.
-Chalcedonian creed-

Yeah, that attempts to explain how Jesus is G-d and a man, who prays to Himself, and forgives His own sins because he was going to die, despite asking G-d to forgive him.

That's the trouble with mankind, they get carried away, don't they?
..and all that evolving from "G-d is One".

What does any of that have to do with anything that matters?

 

[samtonga43]

Do you really want it? Okay, below are the claims followed by the evidence.

Baha’u’llah’s Two Bold Claims

All of which leads us back to Baha’u’llah, who made two very bold claims. First, he declared he was God’s messenger for the next one thousand years, having the same divine authority, the same Holy Spirit, the same divine power, as Moses, Christ, Muhammad, and the other founders of the major world religions:

Baha’u’llah made a second and even more challenging claim. He declared he was the promised world messiah foretold in all the prophecies, in all the holy books, of all the religions of the world – the one promised to come on the Day of Judgment, the Day of God, the Time of the End, the End of the World, to establish the kingdom of God on Earth.
https://bahaiteachings.org/what-did-bahaullah-teach?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Below is a list of the primary categories of evidence that support the claims above.

1. His character (His qualities).
That can be determined by reading about Him in books such as the following:
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4

2. His Revelation is what He accomplished (His Mission on earth, i,e., the history of the Baha'i Faith).
That can be determined by reading about His mission in books such as the following:
God Passes By (1844-1944)
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.

3. His Writings which can be found in books that are posted online: The Works of Bahá'u'lláh

4. Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies that refer to the return of Christ and the promised Messiah. That proves to me He was the Messiah and the return of Christ. Those prophecies and how they were fulfilled are delineated in the following book:
William Sears, Thief in the Night

5. Baha'u'llah predicted many events that later came to pass. Some of these predictions and how they came to pass are listed and delineated in this book: The Challenge of Baha'u'llah

And you believe that 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, are objective evidence? Have I understood you correctly?

 

[samtonga43]

No, I just said that they can both be wrong.

Policy said: They can both be wrong.
Tb said: Yes, hypothetically speaking that is possible....

Tb: #1072
"No, I am going to assume one of them is wrong, because both of them cannot be right".