Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Subduction Zone]

There's that 'appear' word again. I have discovered that things that 'appear' to you to be the case usually are not the case.

Tell me, how do you know that what you call 'blue' is not actually 'purple'?

I have tried to have a discussion with you in the past. You run away when you're eshown to be wrong.

Nope. I am merely giving you the benefit of the doubt. Being wrong is not the end of the world. All you have to do is to own up to your mistakes.

And If you admit that you are at least very very likely to be wrong, and that to communicate words have to have usages that people will agree to I am more than happy to explain in more depth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Logically speaking, there can never be any objective observations of God since God can never be observed.
The only evidence for God that we can observe are the Messengers/Prophets of God.

Sorry, this makes no sense at all. There is no reason that God cannot be observed if he does not want to be observed. you are merely claiming that God is evil because he hides from men when he could fix many of the problems that he created by appearing to them.

I could define what a Prophet is and I could show how the Prophets I believe in met those qualifications.

I sincerely doubt if you can. You may believe that you can, but that does not mean that you can. Don't just say that you can do it, do it.

You are arguing against a straw man. Dozens of times I have said on this forum that what I believe is not evidence of anything. What people 'believe' is not evidence of any kind. The evidence is who the Prophet/Messenger was as a person, what he did on His Mission, and what He wrote.

Objective evidence is evidence that we can examine and evaluate for ourselves.
Objective evidence - definition and meaning - Market ...

We can examine and evaluate the evidence for Baha'u'llah for ourselves because there are actual facts surrounding the Person, the Life, and the Mission of Baha'u'llah.

You are the one that keeps claiming to have evidence and then when others point out that what you have is not evidence you state that you have beliefs. You need to stop playing this game.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sorry, this makes no sense at all. There is no reason that God cannot be observed if he does not want to be observed.

The reason that God cannot be observed is because God does not want to be observed.
One reason for that is stated below.

you are merely claiming that God is evil because he hides from men when he could fix many of the problems that he created by appearing to them.

God has not created any problems by not appearing to men. It is only atheists that need God to appear since they cannot accept what God has provided as evidence, His Messengers.

If God did appear to men in all His glory, that would reduce all created things to utter nothingness.

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

 

[Subduction Zone]

The reason that God cannot be observed is because God does not want to be observed.
One reason for that is stated below.

God has not created any problems by not appearing to men. It is only atheists that need God to appear since they cannot accept what God has provided as evidence, His Messengers.

If God did appear to men in all His glory, that would reduce all created things to utter nothingness.

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

I am sorry, but so many wrongs would be avoided if God made an appearance now and then. Putin starts a war, God shows up and tells him not to. And remember, if God wanted to convince someone else that he was God he could do it. If God just said "Don't be a dick" on a regular basis people would act better. Your God is an evil God since he is willing to punish others for an act that would be as simple as could be for him.


The way that your God acts, it is exactly the same as if did not exist at all.

 

[samtonga43]

Nope. I am merely giving you the benefit of the doubt. Being wrong is not the end of the world. All you have to do is to own up to your mistakes.
And If you admit that you are at least very very likely to be wrong, and that to communicate words have to have usages that people will agree to I am more than happy to explain in more depth.

When I make mistakes, I, unlike you, own up to them. Your mistake is to fail to understand that although you see something you describe as 'blue', others may see the same and describe it as purple. (Note that I am still speaking in terms of your silly analogy).

You can't own up to your mistake because you don't understand the concept of evidence.

 

[samtonga43]

I am sorry, but so many wrongs would be avoided if God made an appearance now and then. Putin starts a war, God shows up and tells him not to. And remember, if God wanted to convince someone else that he was God he could do it. If God just said "Don't be a dick" on a regular basis people would act better. Your God is an evil God since he is willing to punish others for an act that would be as simple as could be for him.
The way that your God acts, it is exactly the same as if did not exist at all.

What makes you think that if God said "Don't be a dick" on a regular basis, people would act better?

 

[Subduction Zone]

When I make mistakes, I, unlike you, own up to them. Your mistake is to fail to understand that although you see something you describe as 'blue', others may see the same and describe it as purple. (Note that I am still speaking in terms of your silly analogy).

You can't own up to your mistake because you don't understand the concept of evidence.

No, you only claim to own up to your errors. At times I have seen you do the same thing with others as you have with me. You could not handle the original argument so you tried to change it. And no, I did not make that mistake, but you don't want to learn why I did not act as you tend to.

Your mistake is largely due to you trying to make it personal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What makes you think that if God said "Don't be a dick" on a regular basis, people would act better?

You should think these things through for yourself. How would we know that it was God?

 

[muhammad_isa]

The way that your God acts, it is exactly the same as if did not exist at all.

That's absurd..
If G-d did not exist, there would be no planets, no gravitational forces .. zilch !

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's absurd..
If G-d did not exist, there would be no planets, no gravitational forces .. zilch !

No, your post is an absurd statement.

How are you going to prove what you claimed?

 

[muhammad_isa]

No, your post is an absurd statement.

How are you going to prove what you claimed?

I was merely refuting your statement:

"The way that your God acts, it is exactly the same as if did not exist at all."

I do not have to prove to you anything about G-d .. it is you who are saying that this universe can exist without "my God". Can you prove that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was merely refuting your statement:

"The way that your God acts, it is exactly the same as if did not exist at all."

I do not have to prove to you anything about G-d .. it is you who are saying that this universe can exist without "my God". Can you prove that?

That was not a refutation. It was nonsense on your part.

And I do not have to prove the nonexistence of God. By the way, it is silly to drop the o. That only demonstrates a false piety.

There is no evidence for a god. There is no need to disprove something that does not exist. For example:

I have a magical blue dragon in my garage. Can you prove that it does not exist?

 

[muhammad_isa]

And I do not have to prove the nonexistence of God.

..and I do not have to prove the existence of G-d.

You say that the universe can exist without G-d, and I say it can't.
You accept all that you see as having no author or reason, while I do not.
It cannot be proved either way .. but I know that there are reasons for things .. and don't presume there is none greater than myself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

..and I do not have to prove the existence of G-d.

You say that the universe can exist without G-d, and I say it can't.
You accept all that you see as having no author and reason, while I do not.
It cannot be proved either way .. but I know that there are reasons for things .. and don't presume there is none greater than myself.

Actually you do considering your earlier post. But then you recognize the truth of what I posted earlier. There is no known need for a God. And no one has been able to show that one exists. Therefore our universe looks exactly like one without a God.

And no, I do not accept all that I see as evidence of no God.

Maybe we should discuss the blue dragon in my garage.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..our universe looks exactly like one without a God..

That's what you believe, yet you can't explain why it is the way it is, or why it even exists !

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's what you believe, yet you can't explain why it is the way it is, or why it even exists !

No, it is what I know. It is probably what you know too.

You may not believe me. Here is how you refute my claim: Present some reliable evidence that supports a God. But there really is no need since you already admitted that you have no such evidence.

 

[ppp]

That's what you believe, yet you can't explain why it is the way it is, or why it even exists !

Neither can you.

 

[Trailblazer]

You should think these things through for yourself. How would we know that it was God?

Indeed, how would we know if it was God if God said x, y, or z?

Then why did you say the following?
'If God just said "Don't be a dick" on a regular basis people would act better. Your God is an evil God since he is willing to punish others for an act that would be as simple as could be for him."

 

[Trailblazer]

There is no evidence for a god.

There is evidence. 93% of the people in the world do not believe in God just because they want to believe in God. Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see.

 

[Trailblazer]

Neither can you.

He did. He said it exists because of God.