Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Subduction Zone]

Indeed, how would we know if it was God if God said x, y, or z?

Then why did you say the following?
'If God just said "Don't be a dick" on a regular basis people would act better. Your God is an evil God since he is willing to punish others for an act that would be as simple as could be for him."

To know that it was God he would have to demonstrate that somehow. Personally I find it a bit offensive if someone thinks so little of those that he is talking to that he spoon feeds every least little detail. It implies that he doubts the intelligence of those he is having a discussion with. Sadly some people are so contrarian that it becomes necessary at times.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is evidence. 93% of the people in the world do not believe in God just because they want to believe in God. Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see.

Sorry, but that does not qualify as evidence. That is an appeal to popularity. A logical fallacy.

If there is evidence please post it.

 

[Trailblazer]

To know that it was God he would have to demonstrate that somehow.

How do you think that God could demonstrate it was really Him speaking?

 

[Sheldon]

If G-d did not exist, there would be no planets, no gravitational forces .. zilch !

Circular reasoning fallacy, using a begging the question fallacy, again.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sorry, but that does not qualify as evidence. That is an appeal to popularity. A logical fallacy.

That is not ad populum because I said "Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see."

I did not say that what many or most people believe is true because many or most people believe it is true, which is ad populum.

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

If there is evidence please post it.

Been there, done that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you think that God could demonstrate it was really Him speaking?

Do you think that God does not know? Perhaps he could publicly remove some of the worst problems in the world. But I am not God. If God does exist he would know.

 

[Sheldon]

I was merely refuting your statement:

You didn't refute it at all, you just made an unevidenced assertion, that used a circular reasoning fallacy.

"The way that your God acts, it is exactly the same as if did not exist at all."

I do not have to prove to you anything about G-d .. it is you who are saying that this universe can exist without "my God". Can you prove that?

Not what he said there, you seem to be attacking a straw man, and are now using an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

1. The universe exists.
2. Natural phenomena exist and are possible.
3. You are the one one adding unevidenced inexplicable magic from an unevidenced deity, none of which can be demonstrated as possible. Occam's razor seems to apply.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is not ad populum because I said "Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see."

I did not say that what many or most people believe is true because many or most people believe it is true, which is ad populum.

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

Been there, done that.

Sorry, but it is. You could not even name the evidence. I have a more rational explanation. Also where did you get that 93% figure from? It appears to be very out dated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A more updated poll:

https://www.haaretz.com

Altogether, 59 percent of the world's population defines itself today as religious, 23 percent as non-religious and 13 percent as atheist.

Since the word atheist still has a negative stigma attached to it some of the nonreligious are going to be atheists. In other words 13 to 36% of the world's population is atheist.

 

[Sheldon]

..and I do not have to prove the existence of G-d.

You can't demonstrate a shred of objective evidence, so all this rhetoric about proof is ironic.

You say that the universe can exist without G-d, and I say it can't.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, yet again. We know the universe exists, and we know natural phenomena are possible, if you want to add unevidenced and inexplicable magic, that you cannot demonstrate any objective evidence is even possible, and using demonstrably irrational arguments, then again, Occam's razor applies. We could show how uselessly irrational your argument is, by pointing out that we can substitute anything for the word god, and your argument would lose nothing, prove the universe couldn't exist with an omnipotent and omniscient leprechaun to create it, etc etc.

You accept all that you see as having no author or reason, while I do not.

There is no objective evidence for your claim for an author or over arching reason for existence, that's why others disbelieve it. Also humans only evolved a mere 200k years ago, that hardly infers there is an important purpose to our existence, anymore than any other of the countless species that also evolved.

It cannot be proved either way .. but I know that there are reasons for things

Hilarious contradiction there, and of course all you are doing is presenting a god concept that is unfalsifiable. I would rationally still have to disbelieve it, as I would all unfalsifiable claims.

 

[Sheldon]

Subduction Zone said: ↑
..our universe looks exactly like one without a God..

That's what you believe, yet you can't explain why it is the way it is, or why it even exists !

Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy yet again, and you can't explain why the universe is the way it is, a god of the gaps is simply an appeal to mystery, assuming a deity used inexplicable magic has no explanatory powers at all.

 

[Sheldon]

Neither can you.

Good darts sir, beat me to it.

 

[Sheldon]

Trailblazer said: ↑
93% of the people in the world do not believe in God just because they want to believe in God. Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see.

That is not ad populum

It is absolutely a bare appeal it numbers, since there is no evidence in that claim to support it, and it is a no true Scotsman fallacy as well. making a bare claim that there is evidence, is not evidence, dear oh dear...

 

[Trailblazer]

Sorry, but it is.

It is not ad populum because I did not say it is true because many or most people believe it is true.
I said "Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see."

This is a common mistake that atheists make, accusing me of ad populum before they even look at the definition.

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

You could not even name the evidence.

Been there done that, a million times over.
Messengers of God are the evidence of God’s existence

Also where did you get that 93% figure from? It appears to be very out dated.

It is simple math, since 7% of people in the world are atheists:

According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists).
Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia

However, that does not mean that 93% of the world's population are positive that God exists. I highly doubt that, because the world would not be such a mess if that many people were positive.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is absolutely a bare appeal it numbers.

No, it is not ad populum.
#6234 Trailblazer, A moment ago

 

[Trailblazer]

If God does exist he would know.

God does exist and He knows the best way to remove the problems in the world, which is what He did.
Sending Messengers with teachings and laws which, if followed, would remove all the problems in the world.

 

[Trailblazer]

Altogether, 59 percent of the world's population defines itself today as religious, 23 percent as non-religious and 13 percent as atheist.

One does not need a religion in order to believe in God. Many non-religious people believe in God. They are all over this forum.

In other words 13 to 36% of the world's population is atheist.

It is more likely that 13% are atheists and 36% are undecided.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is not ad populum because I did not say it is true because many or most people believe it is true.
I said "Most of them believe because they see the evidence that you do not see."

This is a common mistake that atheists make, accusing me of ad populum before they even look at the definition.

In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia

Been there done that, a million times over.
Messengers of God are the evidence of God’s existence

It is simple math, since 7% of people in the world are atheists:

According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists).
Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia

However, that does not mean that 93% of the world's population are positive that God exists. I highly doubt that, because the world would not be such a mess if that many people were positive.

Sorry, your excuses fail. It was.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One does not need a religion in order to believe in God. Many non-religious people believe in God. They are all over this forum.

I know that. That is why I said the number would be somewhere in between. Do you understand that many, I did not claim all, of the nons are atheists?

 

[Subduction Zone]

God does exist and He knows the best way to remove the problems in the world, which is what He did.
Sending Messengers with teachings and laws which, if followed, would remove all the problems in the world.

He might. It is rather strange that no one can find reliable evidence for him.