Trailblazer
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but not a weakness for mine.Evidence is a weakness for most religious beliefs.
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but not a weakness for mine.Evidence is a weakness for most religious beliefs.
I have a feeling that you cannot demonstrate it at all. Break it down into pieces and see if they add up. if one can develop a pattern of observations you may be able to provide some evidence. Disparate claims are not evidence on their own. You would need something to tie them together.and His Manifestation can adduce no greater proof of the truth of His Mission than the proof of His own Person. means that the proof of the truth - that He had a Mission from God - is who He was as a Person, as demonstrated by what He did on His Mission.
I cannot explain all of that in a post. There is too much.
Who Baha'u'llah was as a Person, His character (qualities) can be determined by reading about Him in books such as the following: The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4
What Baha'u'llah did on His Mission on earth can be determined by reading about His mission in books such as the following:
God Passes By (1844-1944)
The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.
That's how people learn things, they read books. All of this is now online free to read or download.
The Baha'i Faith is a very organized religion and all information about it is public and easy to locate.
So far it has been. As people have explained to you again and again. It is very easy to fool ourselves. And it is not that hard to fool a few others. It is very hard to fool everyone.but not a weakness for mine.
It can be proven to oneself if one looks at the evidence that supports the claims of Baha'u'llah and connects the dots. I am not saying it is easy, but it can be done. God has never been much for making things easy.How do you "prove to yourself" that which can't be proven?
It seems like you're saying you can do the impossible.
He did have a question there. You seemed to have ignored it.
Absolutely! And if you knew anything about God you would know why.Did you just claim that claiming god is the exception is not special pleading because it is god, and he is the exception?
Genius!
Your assertion that "God IS the exception to every generally accepted rule" IS special pleading.Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
God IS the exception to every generally accepted rule and that is why the special pleading fallacy does not apply to God.
Sometimes I do.But she never uses circular reasoning
You did not see the claims? here, let me help:I must have missed it. I did not see any there.
It can't be done if it's unprovable, and you said that it's unprovable.It can be proven to oneself if one looks at the evidence that supports the claims of Baha'u'llah and connects the dots. I am not saying it is easy, but it can be done. God has never been much for making things easy.
Generalities are "absolute assertions" unless you choose to presume them to be. Why'd you do that, I wonder?Ironically, these kinds of flawed, absolutist assertions are just the kind of thing you are complaining about here.
God has made Himself known to everyone via the Revelation of Baha'u'llah. That is what God gave you and everyone else.And my question is, why shouldn't this God make himself known to people "He" supposedly cares about? This God you speak of should know exactly what would convince me of "His" existence, if "He" actually cared. So all I can conclude is that "He" doesn't care for me to know about his existence, or can't show me that "He" exists or "He" doesn't actually exist. I'm not sure why it's my problem if I can't tell that "He" exists.
As far as I know, God didn't give me anything.
I don't have time to do that but go ahead and do that. If you actually did that you might discover the difference.
You cannot compare a religious leader with someone who claimed to be a Messenger of God. There is a minimum criteria for a Messenger of God.
1. He had good character as exemplified by his qualities such as love, mercy, kindness, truth, justice, benevolence, gracious, merciful, righteous, forgiving, patient.
2. He believed he had been given a mission by God and did everything he could to see that it was carried out. He was completely successful before his death, and he accomplished everything that he set out to do.
3. He wrote much about God and God's purpose for humans both individually and collectively, or scriptures were written by others who spoke for him. He firmly believed that the work he was doing was for the Cause of God.
4. He had many followers while he was alive, and there are still millions who follow his teachings and gather in groups based on the religion he founded.
5. His followers have grown more numerous in recent times.
Yes, God could do that without violating your free will.
You did not do it but others did it. I apologize for putting it in my post to you.Where did I do this?
It is only an IF for people who don't know.Ah! The big "IF"
It is the conclusion I came to AFTER I looked at all the evidence and verified that Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God.SO:
The B.Man said that God exists
∴ God exists.
Have I missed something, or is this your latest conclusion?
That is not a claim. It is my personal opinion. I do not claim it because I cannot prove it to you.This:
"He provided the evidence that support His claims."
Is a claim on your part. You would still need to provide at the very least his evidence, And you have not does so, or if you think that you have you only demonstrated that Mr. B did not have proper evidence.
By the way, that was a weak attempt at passing the buck.
All the Messengers of God provide the same kind of evidence, but the evidence for Baha'u'llah is more verifiable since there is written documentation whereas we do not have that for the previous Messengers that date back in history.This appears to contradict your previous post of not saying anything about evidence.
And once again, what is the evidence that the supposed messengers supply?
That is possible to do but it is not my job to demonstrate anything. All I can do is point you to the source material but you have to do your own research.I have a feeling that you cannot demonstrate it at all. Break it down into pieces and see if they add up. if one can develop a pattern of observations you may be able to provide some evidence. Disparate claims are not evidence on their own. You would need something to tie them together.
If that is true, it applies to everyone, including you.It is very easy to fool ourselves.
No, the fallacy does not apply to God because God IS the exception to every generally accepted rule.Your assertion that "God IS the exception to every generally accepted rule" IS special pleading.