Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Trailblazer]

It is so frustrating when you do not pay attention to your own failed arguments..

And that's not arrogant? Just remember who started this. You are the one who keeps saying I have failed arguments and you won't give it up because you need to be right in your own mind. If that is not arrogance I don't know what is. Why do you need to be right about another person? What harm would come to you if you had to admit you might be wrong about another person?

 

[Trailblazer]

Then stop the false claims of arrogance on my part.

I have been far less arrogant than you. I did not break the rules here first. That would have been you and your false claims. You have been refuted endlessly and continually deny it. By every person that has disagreed with you. That is arrogance.

It is fine to ask questions about how one has been refuted, but to do so endlessly abuses the privilege.

I have not been refuted one single time, except in your mind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And that's not arrogant? Just remember who started this. You are the one who keeps saying I have failed arguments and you won't give it up because you need to be right in your own mind. If that is not arrogance I don't know what is. Why do you need to be right about another person? What harm would come to you if you had to admit you might be wrong about another person?

No, it was factual. And yes, you keep repeating the same errors. That makes your arguments failed. It is not arrogant to point that out.

Name calling, which is what you started, is against the rules. Refuting someone and pointing it out is not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have not been refuted one single time, except in your mind.

Oh my! Like I said. You are the last person that should ever accuse another of being arrogant.

Your prophecies were refuted. So badly that you would not even discuss the reasons why. That tells us that you know that you were shown to be wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

LOL. Massive fail. Meanwhile you contradicted your post 1636, and did not realize it, even after it was pointed out. That is arrogance.

When you consistently point out other people's failures that is arrogance because that means you think you know something they don't know, that you are smarter than them. I am sorry you cannot see it.

Half of the forum membership are atheists and none of the other atheists are obsessed with pointing out my failures the way you are. The one other atheist that did this was reported and is no longer allowed to post to me.

 

[Trailblazer]

Your prophecies were refuted.

Dream on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Trailblazer , how many times did I point out that you were trying to defend the weakest part of your religion? I told you that there were other ways to justify your faith.

Your arguments here have been no better than those of a Young Earth Creationist. And they fail for the same logical reasons.

You should not look at corrections as attacks on your faith.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When you consistently point out other people's failures that is arrogance because that means you think you know something they don't know, that you are smarter than them. I am sorry you cannot see it.

Half of the forum membership are atheists and none of the other atheists are obsessed with pointing out my failures the way you are. The one other atheist that did this was reported and is no longer allowed to post to me.

No. It means that I am tired with their inability to face facts. I have politely tried to help you to understand but your refusal to do understand has gone past the point of being rude.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dream on.

See, that is the sort of rudeness that I was talking about. You ran away from a rational discussion. That is never a goid sign.

 

[Trailblazer]

No. It means that I am tired with their inability to face facts. I have politely tried to help you to understand but your refusal to do understand has gone past the point of being rude.

Help me understand what, that you know something I do not know? What is that?
Facts about what? You have no facts, just personal opinions. Facts can be proven, personal opinions can't.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Arrogance is your calling card.

And Doggedness is yours in spite of having no evidence for what you believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Help me understand what, that you know something I do not know? What is that?
Facts about what? You have no facts, just personal opinions. Facts can be proven, personal opinions can't.

No, it is a fact that you cannot defend your religion on a rational basis. That is what has been shown endlessly here. But there are other ways to defend it. Does Baha have a good message? Then defend it using his message not the prophecies that are excessively vague. Or the claims that he is a messenger from God. If he is his teachings will eventually show it. You are not going to be able to justify him with what amount to tall tales.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Does Baha have a good message? Then defend it using his message not the prophecies that are excessively vague.

Is that something new? Is he the first to discover love and brotherhood? Are such people not found in all religions since ages? Actually, claim of being a messenger of God undermines his goodness and makes him someone who is looking for personal honor and benefits. He lived in mansions all his life and never had to work for living. So also did his progeny till his great-grandson and his family lasted. He ousted many members of his family from Bahaism. There are many such examples of familial religious leadership around the world like Aga Khan IV. Was it not that which he was angling for?

 

[Trailblazer]

No, it is a fact that you cannot defend your religion on a rational basis.

Personal opinion, not fact. Facts can be proven.

 

[Trailblazer]

And Doggedness is yours in spite of having no evidence for what you believe.

No evidence you like.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Personal opinion, not fact. Facts can be proven.

They have been. Denial does not change that fact.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is that something new? Is he the first to discover love and brotherhood? Are such people not found in all religions since ages? Actually, claim of being a messenger of God undermines his goodness and makes him someone who is looking for personal honor and benefits. He lived in mansions all his life and never had to work for living. So also did his progeny till his great-grandson and his family lasted. He ousted many members of his family from Bahaism. There are many such examples of familial religious leadership around the world like Aga Khan IV. Was it not that which he was angling for?

Personally I don't know about his history. If your claims are true he appears to be far from being a messenger from God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What are you talking about? Reality can be measured and expressed in scientific terms.

No!

Let me explain:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reality

First off, I use that rule that if you don't specify a definition, you use the standard one, so above is a standard one.

So here is the test of the difference between the everyday world and reality:
The question is: Can everything be measured using science and expressed in scientific terms?
And that is simple, because you answer yes and I answer no.
So back to reality as : the true situation that exists : the real situation.
The real and true situation, that exists, are 2 situations:

We think differently, but both cases are a part of the everyday world and at least since last time I checked, I still haven't found any measurement expressed in scientific terms, that for the fact, that you can answer yes and I can answer no, those are not both true and real situations.

Let me be very precise. Science can examine humans, but the methodology of science can't settle if 2 or more humans disagree and there are more than one set of behavior possible.
So atheists don't believe in gods.
And theists believe in a God.
Both are real and true situations, that exists. You can using observing to confirm both ones, but you can't use science to express that you accept one of the cases and disagree with the other, because that is not science.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Personally I don't know about his history. If your claims are true he appears to be far from being a messenger from God.

So you see it is right to go with the misinformation and not with the reliable recorded history about the life of Baha'u'llah.

The world has forgotten justice, but Baha'u'llah has foretold that will happen.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you see it is right to go with the misinformation and not with the reliable recorded history about the life of Baha'u'llah.

The world has forgotten justice, but Baha'u'llah has foretold that will happen.

Regards Tony

No. I was very careful to state quite clearly that I did not know if his claims were true or not. I said if true it did not look good for him.

Do you have any reliable sources, and that would exclude Baha'i sources, on his life? By the way since Muslims opposed him it would also exclude Muslim sources.