Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Trailblazer]

This quote from Baha'u'llah was read by Christians at the first event for the unity of religion back in 1893

It is really humanity's only chance.

 

[Truthseeker]

That's the question... Who made man flawed? If God is real and the creator, then it is God who made man flawed. And it is God who could fix those flaws.

Man has two natures, a material nature, and a spiritual nature. God put man in a material world, so that man could have a choice between the material and the spiritual. God wants us to earn spirituality, not give it to us.

 

[muhammad_isa]

God wants us to earn spirituality, not give it to us.

That's right. G-d wants us to learn from experience.

 

[Kfox]

Muslims don't believe Jesus was the son of God, but they do revere him as a holy prophet.

So you admit their messages are not the same huh? Christians see Jesus as the Christ, while Muslims see Jesus as a Prophet; completely different message.

I did not say that God dos not have the ability to speak to humans, I said that humans do not have the ability to understand God. God cannot talk to you the way you and I talk to each other because God is not a human being.

Well if he had unlimited ability, he would have the ability to talk to me the way you and I talk to each other; regardless of him not being human.
BTW not being human never stopped the Devil from talking to Eve in a way that she could understand in the garden of Eden; now did it.

 

[Kfox]

My human father is biological just like my life.

He had sex with my biological mother.

Mother owns the ovary a female human. No father ever owned any ovary. Your history mind state is incomplete. As a self memory human.

His baby man's changed the ovary to reform his life. Human man.

So men once said my holy human mother only.

Now men possessed by science say I am a God...a machine that began with O God planet I named God as a scientist. Theist man human.

Why his brother said in living biology your loss of Dna human only equals a living ape.

I said my theism said my brother. My brother told me as a man a human built God the machine from the dust of the ground. I want to be the machine today warned Stephen Hawking..warned as a real theist brother mind life body genetic loss aware in the sciences.

Not just the natural man changed by mind by cosmic causes of ancient man's science. Biological sacrifice a different conscious aware notification. Ignored as self relevance to always include self presence in any analogy.

Most men don't.

I want to be god the dust. Beginnings of humans man science. Says the thinker as theism took precedence in a man's psyche. The place a machine began.

So he attacked my psyche female with satellite haarp computer A I program. Of which his mind biological as the man life today personally controls. As the human scientist.

Claiming mind control. Let me transmit it and study it to find old machine signals. Gods he says.

Is a human theist man scientist who said to his own man self... if religious idealism about science causes such incorrect thesis then I should give it away.

As such owned thoughts...his owned man presence...his own theisms...as his owned teachings.

As he hears it but in presence biological sex created human is living his own man's experience. Tends to ignore the relevance of his own aware teachings.

Man said possessed by science causes.... I speak on behalf of god O science earth machine first as a theist. Was then mind split given a subliminal feedback psyche who then thought he was God who invented.

By a formula a man theist and machine used. A nothing moment in O earths mass by numbered formula to convert shift energy out of mass.

History...his story God told me how and why. His own man first theist more intelligent more spiritual more innocent higher healthier body. Just a man.

As I got irradiated he sure taught me as my human brother about his scientific God lesson. Scientist. Only I get gods messages rationally. The man in egotism says.

How dare you maths fake mother question my authority. Talking to an irradiated changed human female in natural life science self possessed..

Father human first life biological only. Mother human being first biological only.

Died.

No human exist as sperm was in one body and ovary in another body they owned.

So we babies are virtually living in a past. Created by sex. Knowing the human dies. And we don't die as a God says the psyche. We die as a human.

So brother scientist no human is any God.

I explained why I heard the human scientific machine caused AI effect.

It is a phenomena condition caused by men in science.

One physical being owned no property was natural and never owned the human built machine. Machine as the deity causes conjured reacted in between phenomena manifestations as life gets destroyed attacked in science caused effects.

Why humans said God did evil acts to humans biology. Machine caused status only.

As God the earth in human science is not a machine.

I learnt that an artificial ice melt also not human consciousness displaces living then replaces living by water shift. Mass of.

Causation phenomena in our heavens recorded life human aware shifts it's presence. Communicates back image voice sound displaced by men in science conditions.

All experienced by a living equally owned human being life.

It was a teaching for humans by humans about effects caused to humans in human science.

As no man is God of course I know I don't talk to any machine theism God of man's science.

My father as I live is just my human brother. As long as we live we are mutual life partners. Living..but I heard you by phenomena causes....you men are the only human liars of events as the scientist and theist.

Nothing you've said here had anything to do with anything I've said.

 

[rational experiences]

Nothing you've said here had anything to do with anything I've said.

You asked for evidence of why men claim they know God or are God.

A theist is a human first. Thinking by motivated want by subject of choice secondary. As just a human.

A human is first was the humans own advice. You aren't God first as a human theist thinker.

 

[rational experiences]

So you admit their messages are not the same huh? Christians see Jesus as the Christ, while Muslims see Jesus as a Prophet; completely different message.

Well if he had unlimited ability, he would have the ability to talk to me the way you and I talk to each other; regardless of him not being human.
BTW not being human never stopped the Devil from talking to Eve in a way that she could understand in the garden of Eden; now did it.

CH arise gases out of earth were owned O by earth the body. God O one man's science thesis. Earth science.

The advice. Scientific.

Christ CH gas was the man's predictive science prophecy first.

Jesus he said was predicted to be a caused outcome as old testimonials stated sacrifice of life would occur if science changed God earth mass. As CH Rist was from O earth the God.

Was a shared teaching.

Men write their own thesis. Then they talked about their observations and updated advice. As Jesus had been accepted as a teaching status by Muslim.

It had been predicted yet unnamed. Based on Christ changing its status. It was observed caused. Based on wisdom of the heavens CHrist spirit.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you admit their messages are not the same huh? Christians see Jesus as the Christ, while Muslims see Jesus as a Prophet; completely different message.

What Christians believe was never the truth, so Jesus was always a Prophet, just as Muslims believe.

But regarding the actual messages from God why would their messages be exactly the same? Why would God send a 'new Messenger' to reveal exactly the same things?

Well if he had unlimited ability, he would have the ability to talk to me the way you and I talk to each other; regardless of him not being human.

You cannot know what the unknowable God would be able to do or what He would do so what you have is just a biased personal opinion whish is based upon what you want.

BTW not being human never stopped the Devil from talking to Eve in a way that she could understand in the garden of Eden; now did it.

I do not believe that there was ever a Garden of Eden or an Adam and Eve or a Devil. I believe that was just an allegorical story with spiritual meanings.

30: ADAM AND EVE

 

[CG Didymus]

This quote from Baha'u'llah was read by Christians at the first event for the unity of religion back in 1893

"That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religions should cease and differences of race be annulled. What harm is there in this? Yet so it shall be. These fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come. Do not you in Europe need this also? Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind." – The Baha’i World, Volume 2, p. 169.

Parliament of World Religions: When Faiths First Came Together

Parliament of the World's Religions - Wikipedia

All this still happens around the world.

Regards Tony

And how does that fit the context of what I said?

I don't see people people fighting or arguing over which prophet, and which religion, and which concept of God is true, except on forums, but this is not real life.

If her statement is true?

Really? So all people and all religion all get along and respect each other?

I've seen Baha'is arguing with other Baha'is. I've seen Catholics arguing with Protestants. Oh, and there might have been a little bit of fighting going on between them too.

So, it's great that some religious people have gotten together. But really, some religious people don't fight and argue?

 

[CG Didymus]

Man has two natures, a material nature, and a spiritual nature. God put man in a material world, so that man could have a choice between the material and the spiritual. God wants us to earn spirituality, not give it to us.

If your concept of God is real, still... why so flawed? That is the question. Why not raise the spiritual capacity of people so they don't so easily follow their lower nature.

 

[CG Didymus]

What some people completely miss is that they cannot dictate to God how He should communicate.

But that is only what you believe. For others, the Gods or God or whatever has communicated to them. Like the vision quests of the Native Americans. They pretty much all got a vision from the Great Spirit.

 

[Truthseeker]

If your concept of God is real, still... why so flawed? That is the question. Why not raise the spiritual capacity of people so they don't so easily follow their lower nature.

That's an unanswerable question.

 

[CG Didymus]

You cannot speak for how other people feel. It is only how YOU feel and you are projecting that onto other people. I see nobody complaining that the Baha'is don't know all about their religions. I see nobody expecting Baha'is to know about their religions. It is only YOU who complains because you think that Baha'is are responsible to help you learn about the older religions, but we aren't.

Everything is a negative number for you.

Another minus number posted by a Baha'i.

The Baha'i answer.... "They all corrupted the original message that came from the messenger. That original message didn't contradict the other messages.

Do you ever say things like this? Is that part of what the Baha'i Faith teaches? If so, then...

Does that answer really make people in the other religions feel as if the Baha'is understand and respect their beliefs?

I'm asking you. Do you think that kind of an answer from a Baha'i would make a person in another religion feel as if their religion and beliefs are understood and respected by Baha'is?

Then there is... "It is only YOU who complains because you think that Baha'is are responsible to help you learn about the older religions, but we aren't."
In my opinion that's a horrible thing for a Baha'i to say. You know what I'm saying. If you mention prophecies, then you should have the knowledge about that prophecy and the religion that it came from. If you don't, then stop saying that they have been "fulfilled". You mention the other religions, then you should know something about them. If you don't and don't care, then stop mentioning them.

You aren't helping me learn anything about the other religions. If you don't know that's one thing, but if Baha'u'llah failed to mention two of the major religions in the world, then the problem is with him. And now his fallible followers are supposed to figure out how Hinduism and Buddhism ties in with the Baha'i Faith and the other Abrahamic religions?

 

[CG Didymus]

As I said before, the messages are not the original messages because they were corrupted by men, so that is why they contradict now, but they did not contradict before they were corrupted.

That's you saying this. Is this based on Baha'i teachings?

"They all corrupted the original message that came from the messenger. That original message didn't contradict the other messages. Okay... how is Hinduism and Buddhism "one" with Christianity? Or Judaism? Or the Baha'i Faith? They aren't. The beliefs contradict. The Baha'i answer.... "They all corrupted the original message that came from the messenger. That original message didn't contradict the other messages. And that is the Baha'is answer and no one should ever, ever question it again, because that answer came from God through his manifestation Baha'u'llah." Or something like that.

No, that is not the Baha'i answer. You are constantly distorting what Baha'is believe on this forum.

Sorry, I assumed the &*$% you say here is from the teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Maybe you're the kind of person that should quote things to back up your ^&$%.

 

[CG Didymus]

No, God did not make man flawed. Man is by nature fallible and that is what @Truthseeker meant by flawed, and since man is fallible man cannot receive and understand messages from God.

Hmmm? God did not make man flawed. So man is flawless? Man by nature is fallible. And that is not a flaw? That was on purpose? And because man is fallible, he can't receive and understand messages from God. Then the fix is easy. God can make man infallible. Like his manifestations. You know like Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses... all those infallible flawless manifestations.

 

[CG Didymus]

Then there are the "perfect" mirrors. Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses? Some or all of them are manifestations in the Baha'i Faith. Not one of them is perfect. All had flaws.

Because God made them that way.

In your religion. Judaism and Christianity don't make them manifestations.

 

[Tiberius]

One can know that they have absolute proof yet not be able to show it to others. After all, it was bestowed by God to them so is personal. How could they ever show it to anyone else?

How then do you verify that it's absolute proof?

I do believe I have the truth.

Good for you. You being sure something is true doesn't convince me one bit.

I do not have to settle. Often new thoughts come to mind as I converse so I have another opinion.

Is that why your position is so wishy washy?

Why would we need to rely upon the Bible stories in order to know if God sent Messengers?

You completely missed my point, didn't you?

God chooses His own strategies...
Even if it was God's strategy 3600 years ago obviously it is not God's strategy now.

I gotta wonder why the ALMIGHTY even bothers with a strategy that wouldn't have been successful after 3600 years.

It doesn't make any difference unless it matters how many people believe in God.

So then you mentioning the number was absolutely pointless then, wasn't it?

But that is not my logic.

Change "Booming voice of God" to "messenger of God" and it's essentially the same.

 

[Truthseeker]

But that is only what you believe. For others, the Gods or God or whatever has communicated to them. Like the vision quests of the Native Americans. They pretty much all got a vision from the Great Spirit.

Yes, Indigenous people of America have vision quests, but you can't be sure of them. The indigenous peoples of all Americas, north and south, are in larger percentages of their number Baha'is than other ethnic groups.

Here are native Americans have been on or are now in the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States.

Jacqueline Left Hand Bull was elected as Chair of the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baháʼís of the United States, for the first time, in 2007.[188] She was the first American Indian woman to so serve, and the third woman[188] to do so since its formation in 1925.[189] She served as Chair through 2011.[190] Other Indians had been elected to the institution - MacArthur Fellow Patricia Locke, Lakota hoop dancer and flutist Kevin Locke, and Navajo artists and brothers Franklin and Chester Kahn.

I have communicated with Kevin Locke personally, though not in person. He's now an auxiliary board member and was my faculty in the Wilmette Institute course called Indigenous Perspectives of the Sacred. Patricia Locke, as the name suggests was the mother of Kevin Locke.

 

[Trailblazer]

But that is only what you believe. For others, the Gods or God or whatever has communicated to them. Like the vision quests of the Native Americans. They pretty much all got a vision from the Great Spirit.

Sure, the Gods or God or whatever has communicated to them. Like the vision quests of the Native Americans. They pretty much all got a vision from the Great Spirit. There is nothing wrong with that, but do Native Americans dictate how God should communicate? No. It is only atheists who do this.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's an unanswerable question.

Why not raise the spiritual capacity of people so they don't so easily follow their lower nature? I have an answer, because God wants us to use our free will to raise our own capacity.