Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[ppp]

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.
Why should G-d speak to devils?

People who don't believe your claims that your god exists are "devils"? Wow.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

People who don't believe your claims that your god exists are "devils"? Wow.

Well, to one poster here all religious people were in fact insane, as they are not rational. So you can find that on both sides.

 

[SkepticThinker]

..and how often is G-d supposed to do this?
Just once.. or every day .. or every year?

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.
Why should G-d speak to devils?

G-d is able to guide people without having to speak "by loudhailer".
He is well aware of what eveybody is thinking, as there is a part of G-d in all of us.

Why? If this God truly wants us to believe in and worship it, why would it be ludicrous for this God to speak to people "who he knows is in denial?" What better way to make a person into a believer, than that?

How come a Damascus Road experience was good enough for Paul, but not for the rest of us?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Why? If this God truly wants us to believe in and worship it, why would it be ludicrous for this God to speak to people "who he knows is in denial?" What better way to make a person into a believer, than that?

How come a Damascus Road experience was good enough for Paul, but not for the rest of us?

Well, yes. Get your point. But what does that have to do with Islam? Are you trying to turn the poster into a Christian?

 

[Trailblazer]

G-d does not want everybody to be "hearing voices" all the time.

Anybody who does, I suggest they see a psychiatrist.

Unless it was "really God."

 

[Trailblazer]

If the voice were coming from the sky, the Psychiatrist would hear the voice as well!

and the psychiatrist would also need a psychiatrist!

 

[Trailblazer]

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.

and that is the main point.

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness. How, then, can the godly be differentiated under such circumstances from the froward?” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

 

[Trailblazer]

Or perhaps his followers will just make up every excuse imaginable to justify why he does not come out of hiding; other than the obvious; he is not real.

God needs no excuses because God cannot make mistakes. As such God's followers cannot be MAKING any excuses for God.

What is obvious is that God chooses NOT to come out of hiding, and God only does what God chooses to do, period.

Anything that can be written can be spoken. Perhaps not in one speech, or even one day; but it can be spoken

I think you know this is unrealistic but yet you hold onto your fantasy.

Alien/Extraterrestrial is not defined as God’s creation

Not in the biblical sense, but I am not a Christian, I am a Baha'i, so from my vantage point everything in existence is part of God's creation.

From my observation, the biggest difference between the truth and falsehood is that the truth never asks to be believed; (that’s what liars do) the truth asks to be questioned. The truth asks to be studied, analyzed, picked apart; the truth asks to be verified! Because once you’ve done all of that, belief becomes naturally.

And that is exactly what I am suggesting you do, question, study and investigate.
Once you have done all of that belief comes naturally, as it came to me.

“Bahá’u’lláh asked no one to accept His statements and His tokens blindly. On the contrary, He put in the very forefront of His teachings emphatic warnings against blind acceptance of authority, and urged all to open their eyes and ears, and use their own judgement, independently and fearlessly, in order to ascertain the truth. He enjoined the fullest investigation and never concealed Himself, offering, as the supreme proofs of His Prophethood, His words and works and their effects in transforming the lives and characters of men.” Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, p. 8

So when you claim your God wants us to believe (faith) to me that sounds consistent with everything I’ve known to be a lie, and the polar opposite of everything I know to be true; so you will have to excuse me if I am skeptical of any God claim that says I’m just supposed to believe via faith.

I am NOT suggesting that you should believe on faith alone, I suggested you believe on faith and evidence. Faith with evidence is not blind faith, it is informed faith.

However, since God is not visible and never will be, you have to approach belief with faith that God possibly exists... Then you go about your investigation in order to confirm that in your mind.

 

[CG Didymus]

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.

What do you believe about the people in the other religions that deny Islam as a true religion? And what do you think of some of their beliefs? Especially the Christians that believe Jesus is God.

There's lots of good reasons to question and not believe those other religions isn't there? But then add your religion too, Islam. Are all sects of Islam speaking and believing the truth? Or do you believe some of them have misinterpreted things and have gotten off track? Now look at it from an Atheists point of view... Is it reasonable for them to suspect that all religions might not be true? They all have different beliefs. So, they all can't be true. Most all, I'm sure, have done some horrible things in the name of their God and religion. And all the Atheists are asking for is some tangible proof that God exists. Is that really all that unreasonable considering how weird some religions get in their beliefs?

 

[muhammad_isa]

..all the Atheists are asking for is some tangible proof that God exists. Is that really all that unreasonable considering how weird some religions get in their beliefs?

It's not about what I find reasonable.

G-d knows our intentions of why we say what we say.
He knows what is reasonable, and what is not.

 

[Sheldon]

If there is an all-knowing and all-wise God no atheist can know more or be wiser than an all-knowing and all-wise God. That would be logically impossible.

It seems you simply can't understand the irony of using a known logical fallacy, like the circular reasoning fallacy you have used here again, in the same post you rhetorically invoke logic.

 

[Sheldon]

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.
Why should G-d speak to devils?

What's ludicrous is an argument of just two sentences, that contains both a circular reasoning fallacy, and a no true Scotsman fallacy. What's ludicrous is that anyone can go online and learn what a common logical fallacy is, and read a comprehensive list of such fallacies, and thus avoid them, yet on and on you go.

What's ludicrous is that you surely can see what this means for such arguments, is that they are irrational by definition.

 

[Sheldon]

G-d knows our intentions of why we say what we say.
He knows what is reasonable, and what is not.

ISIS and the Taliban think your deity find their actions reasonable. The KKK and the Westborough Baptist church think the same. The leaders of the Inquisition, the Crusaders, and all religious terrorists, and on and on and on. Now it's true humans don't need religion to be brutal and arrogant and terrorise each other of course, but religion doesn't seem to do what it says on the tin in that case.

I am on the outside, looking on in bemusement, at people the world over all claiming they know which deity is real out of countless thousands humans have imagined, and that they know what it wants, and none of them can offer any objective evidence for their bombast, or any objective difference for their beliefs from all the others.

 

[Sheldon]

People who don't believe your claims that your god exists are "devils"? Wow.

Oh I've been called far worse. Luckily I live in a part of the world where religious power has largely been neutered. Though not entirely of course. Which is why I keep a wary eye on theists and what they are up to, as long as they are innocuous, and their beliefs bring them succour and comfort, then more power to their elbow, but sadly the vapid platitudes about love thy neighbour are too often a mantra "offered" from a position of strength.

“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

 

[Sheldon]

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.

Tiresome isn't it, why won't those pesky sceptics simply believe, and then it will all fall into place. Then we can all fight it out to see who is "believing" in the right deity.

Count me out...from the suggestible faith based beliefs, and form the fighting it out. As I have said many times, I'm happy for anyone to believe the moon is made of soft cheese if it cheers them up, as long as they don't insist I believe it, and don't start telling me what the cheesy moon wants me to do.

 

[rational experiences]

Basic common sense.

Humans exist. They think. They tell stories first.

It is termed thinking.

No science is first and it should have always been no science.

Science is humanities owned evil.

Pretty basic.

How do you tell a scientist he is wrong?

Science says he especially applied science as the extra special human self

Straight away you are notified status thought and better greater than other humans is inferred.

Self idolisation. I can do what you can't.

Science should not have been chosen.

If a human says I want you to believe I was created. In reality. It's meaningless to another human who exists.

Is what humans natural first conscious self says. As one human to another human.

As to argue if we are going to survive sciences destruction of earths nature you have to begin with basics.

As the intelligence men claim to have gathered by chosen artificial acts is self consuming their ideologies.

Humans claim to a human scientist is no God the human exists.

As only humans infer they came out of the God body itself.

Basic advice youre just a human.

Entity is God...deity is God inference just like me human bodily but non physical.

Science says my god entity science O stone is earth ark products all things from God the entity O planet mass energies variable.

Entity because O the planet first created its own heavens conceived with space. To define a creator body first is to give it entity status. O stone earth.

Not in any discussion is any human conscious or present. About planet earths natural energy status in two places.

So we are not the entity.

Men claim the deity is he him his. A spirit non physical in the heavens. Body like his own.

First men know I am a self man human biology totally just a human separate from the heavens.

I move through oxygenated water as biology. Human.

So you live in the water heavens

Men then said the deity God lives in the gas spirit heavens above us. Is not physical is a spirit only.

That entity ended in evolution cooling as clouds also nothing to do with humans. Humans biology is not there.

So you ask who is the non physical God deity. Men infer the deity is male. Some say no its of no physical information.

Yet conscious human tells the stories.

So if clouds talk why how do they talk. How did ground life get images in the clouds!

Man's science is the choice non practiced non existent until it was caused.

Ask the men of occult science. Do you believe you created God? The answer in reality is yes. Otherwise they would not believe they could resource it. Rationally.

What changed in our heavens for men to believe they became God in heavens as a father. Who is only a father biological by sex?

Water mass biology microbial oxygenated taken from ground garden life supported status. Removed by a he him his built condition machine.

Machine an abstract entity of man's control consciously.

Men caused change to life biology mind and body separated status. From the ground life living bodily ownership.

Owner ship means my moving body human I own. As it moves biologically through water heavens.

Knew they did.

Did you invent water Sciences?

No.

What about plant garden oxygenating bio life water?

No.

Did you invent clouds?

No. They evolved in cooling.

Oh so are you the God you discuss? Entity by cloud amassing imaged transmitted?

No.

Why? I designed the design causes from my owned biological existence my body first. I caused image by being designer of causes.

No it was a science cause self deitisation. Idolisation of and by conditions humans bio chemistry changed brain heavy metal affected. As man is the topic first a human.

If you say God owns naturally O entity planet the separated being that you look at. Then you mean it instantly right now to think it magical.

We are in the water tree oxygenated heavens. So it owns no dust converted thesis.

You think it's magical by the idea it is instant as you think look observe.

How can everything exist right now yet in the past it was burning is your thoughts as magical and surreal.

Just allow your awe of creation to exist and leave us alone. Stop your incessant machine pulsed atmospheric attacks on our life you liars.

Claiming I know God is Phi crop circle patterns.

When Phi is to remove mass back to just being Phi. What lying in human science means

Science is the only liar. It is still science who uses science to snidely accuse innocent humanity that it is inane or insane.

Insanity was first the choice of science when you were innocent. So you own no excuse your ego selves today. You caused every single problem yourselves.

 

[ppp]

God needs no excuses because God cannot make mistakes. As such God's followers cannot be MAKING any excuses for God.

But those alleged followers of God can be making up excuses as to why their doctrines in dogmas

Oh I've been called far worse. Luckily I live in a part of the world where religious power has largely been neutered. Though not entirely of course. Which is why I keep a wary eye on theists and what they are up to, as long as they are innocuous, and their beliefs bring them succour and comfort, then more power to their elbow, but sadly the vapid platitudes about love thy neighbour are too often a mantra "offered" from a position of strength.

“Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”
― Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

Same. Unfortunately we have little self-aggrandizing, wealthy, extremist religious factions that are really good at propaganda and campaigning.

 

[Trailblazer]

But those alleged followers of God can be making up excuses as to why their doctrines in dogmas

That's true, and they need excuses for those.

 

[ppp]

That's true, and they need excuses for those.

Yes. You do.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes. You do.

I don't need any excuses because my religion has no doctrines or dogmas.