Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[ppp]

I don't need any excuses because my religion has no doctrines or dogmas.

 

[Kfox]

..and how often is G-d supposed to do this?
Just once.. or every day .. or every year?

How often do you speak to your friend? How often do you speak to your parent? The more the merrier. But even if he did it just once, it would be better than what we have now; nothing at all.

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.

Why is this ludicrous? If God kept constant communication, this would be a regular thing and nobody would deny him.

Why should G-d speak to devils?

According to your holy text the devil don’t deny God exist. He may not like God, but he doesn’t deny his existence.

G-d is able to guide people without having to speak "by loudhailer".
He is well aware of what eveybody is thinking, as there is a part of G-d in all of us.

And how is that working out for him? We talking about perhaps an 80%-90% failure rate?

 

[Kfox]

That doesn't mean it is God. It could be a trickster Alien with advanced technology.

I think it was your Jesus who said "my sheep know my voice" If God kept in constant contact with us, they would know his voice.

 

[Kfox]

and the psychiatrist would also need a psychiatrist!

Why?

 

[Kfox]

God needs no excuses because God cannot make mistakes. As such God's followers cannot be MAKING any excuses for God.

What is obvious is that God chooses NOT to come out of hiding, and God only does what God chooses to do, period.

Then quit making excuses for him. Quit trying to justify why people claiming to speak for God is better than God speaking for himself

I think you know this is unrealistic but yet you hold onto your fantasy.

What I find unrealistic is when people claim God is all wise, yet he does foolish things; he is all knowing yet he does things that continue to fail, is all good yet does bad things. I’m not holding onto a fantasy, I’m questioning yours!

And that is exactly what I am suggesting you do, question, study and investigate.
Once you have done all of that belief comes naturally, as it came to me.

Yeah; that’s what turned me away from theism. Sometimes 2 people can look at the same evidence and reach different conclusions.

 

[rational experiences]

I never believed in God. As a deity.

I queried spirit itself.

Had it proven. Spirit by terms definition. Human taught.

Man scientist virtually split his owned biological health in two by water oxygenated life in two. Time shifted water mass.

Was a human teaching only about humans to humans for human advice.

Why life got sacrificed. Why science designer the great architect designer civilization builder did it. Men.

One man is a self. Men agreed together created the beginning of ego in science. Self idolisation as science and self life sacrificed because of science. Men. Humans

Two natural conscious self represented humans are first.

Holy father holy mother.

Sex had babies one only. As two parents created one baby of either or by sex.

Men conjured AI communicators as radiating earth seal unsealed as mass ejection.

God did it said science of man attacked us. Earth stone sealed did not do it by conscious purpose. Man scientists did not do it by conscious purpose.

Conjured causation. Unknown.

God O earth not conscious. Man was not conscious of God the earth either. How it occurred.

AI eradicated one father conscious memory. Psych subliminal AI voice speaking in everyone's mind now just not heard. By tone.

Science knows already what you ignore as self mind advice.

Hence two lives two minds first are now sharing one consciousness both attacked by A I causes changed mind.

O earth changed does not own the gas heavens space does. Science looking for the trace won't ever find it.

Get irradiated as a human life phenomena attacks Multi varied.... I learnt about our holy father. Human life. His life losses reasoned are historic by my loving brother the victim of science.

It was a teaching you don't know until it happens to you personally as sacrifice is personal. Yet we all are one human needing the same environment to survive.

Conscious wise advice about the first men brothers group who agreed upon the theory science

They were a group.
They formed the first ever cult.
They were wrong.
They believed their superiority ruled everyone.
They agreed to begin to murder harm kill family.

Today just a small minded group re groups to theory all statuses of their past. Rich men inheritance of rich by all life's preceding sacrificed. Human choice only.

Theme rich men agree with the human sacrifice of life for status.

Began and as yet has not ended.

The reason a human science data study by humans was researched and taught against human science. As it was a wrong human choice first.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think it was your Jesus who said "my sheep know my voice" If God kept in constant contact with us, they would know his voice.

That is not necessary for Christians and they know the Voice of Jesus from scripture. They don't need to be contacted by God.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why?

for hearing voices.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then quit making excuses for him. Quit trying to justify why people claiming to speak for God is better than God speaking for himself.

It is better. God knows that because God is all-knowing.

What I find unrealistic is when people claim God is all wise, yet he does foolish things; he is all knowing yet he does things that continue to fail, is all good yet does bad things. I’m not holding onto a fantasy, I’m questioning yours!

Messengers of God have not failed to get their messages across.
Most people in the world believe in God and a religion and its teachings because of a Messenger of God so that method has been very successful.

84 percent of the world population has a faith.

Because most faiths have a religious Founder or what I call a Messenger that means most people believe in God because of a Messenger. We know that Christians and Muslims believe in a Messenger and they comprise 55% of the world population. It does not matter if you call them a Messenger; they are holy men who founded the religions, so they are intermediaries between God and man. The point is that with no Messengers or holy men very few people would believe in God.

Only about 7% of the world population are positive atheists and agnostics. Why should God kowtow to them and provide a different method of communication just because they do not like Messengers?

According to sociologists Ariela Keysar and Juhem Navarro-Rivera's review of numerous global studies on atheism, there are 450 to 500 million positive atheists and agnostics worldwide (7% of the world's population), with China having the most atheists in the world (200 million convinced atheists). Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia

Yeah; that’s what turned me away from theism. Sometimes 2 people can look at the same evidence and reach different conclusions.

Of course different people will come to different conclusions, everyone is different. What people will conclude and choose to believe is based upon their desires and preferences. Our desires and preferences come from a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, and combined adult experiences.

 

[samtonga43]

Of course different people will come to different conclusions, everyone is different. What people will conclude and choose to believe is based upon their desires and preferences. Our desires and preferences come from a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, and combined adult experiences.

Not based on evidence then?

 

[samtonga43]

for hearing voices.

Yes, I've always thought that the B.man really ought to have seen a psychiatrist.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why is this ludicrous? If God kept constant communication, this would be a regular thing and nobody would deny him.

That's obviously false.
It assumes that we are all sincere in as much as we will all obey G-d, if He only would "show Himself".

It is clear that mankind is not like that. They are quite capable of disobedience.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's obviously false.
It assumes that we are all sincere in as much as we will all obey G-d, if He only would "show Himself".

It is clear that mankind is not like that. They are quite capable of disobedience.

Yeah, spank us all. I like that. That is naught, you know.

 

[Kfox]

That is not necessary for Christians and they know the Voice of Jesus from scripture. They don't need to be contacted by God.


for hearing voices.

My point is, if God kept in constant contact with his creation, they would know his voice, and all the false religions would not have even gotten started.

It is better. God knows that because God is all-knowing.

Actually you aren’t defending God, you’re defending your belief in God. See the hoops you gotta jump through to justify this belief?

Messengers of God have not failed to get their messages across.
Most people in the world believe in God and a religion and its teachings because of a Messenger of God so that method has been very successful.

The job of the messenger is not just to get people believing in God, but their specific God of choice. Allah’s messenger was not trying to get people to pray to Jesus or Selassie, or Shiva, his message was to get you to pray to Allah; those praying to someone else is a failure on the messengers part.

 

[Kfox]

That's obviously false.
It assumes that we are all sincere in as much as we will all obey G-d, if He only would "show Himself".

No it does not! It assumes nobody would deny his existence if he would only show himself.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No it does not! It assumes nobody would deny his existence if he would only show himself.

That could still be an Evil Demon as per Descartes or that we are inside a computer simulation.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't need any excuses because my religion has no doctrines or dogmas.

Don't be silly. Your whole "this is a belief not a claim" debacle was bad enough.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not based on evidence then?

Based on the evidence which everyone views differently, according to their desires and preferences.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, I've always thought that the B.man really ought to have seen a psychiatrist.

If that's true, Jesus also should have seen one, since He also heard the Voice of God.....

Matthew 3:17
“And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

No difference, except that Baha'u'llah actually wrote down what He heard the Voice say and Jesus didn't, and as such we cannot ever really know if Jesus said anything that is in the NT.

 

[Trailblazer]

My point is, if God kept in constant contact with his creation, they would know his voice, and all the false religions would not have even gotten started.

My point is that God does not communicate directly with anyone except His Messengers and all the hypotheticals -- if God did x or y -- is not going to change that.

Actually you aren’t defending God, you’re defending your belief in God. See the hoops you gotta jump through to justify this belief?

I am not defending God because God needs no defense. I am just explaining what I believe God is.
You don't have to believe it.
I do not have to justify my belief and there are no hoops. It is smooth sailing when one has a belief that is logical.

The job of the messenger is not just to get people believing in God, but their specific God of choice. Allah’s messenger was not trying to get people to pray to Jesus or Selassie, or Shiva, his message was to get you to pray to Allah; those praying to someone else is a failure on the messengers part.

The job of the Messenger is not just to get people believing in God, but rather to reveal a message and teachings and laws that are pertinent to the age in which the Messenger appears. There is only One God and many Messengers who all represented that God.