Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Trailblazer]

OK. Now, this is important, and I want to get your position absolutely clear…
If you still agree with the five points above, please let me know.

1. You are accusing me of being a stalker.
False, I said I 'felt like' I was being stalked.
2. You have, as yet, no evidence to support this accusation.
The evidence is on the forum, but I am not going to produce it
3. You will not apologize for making this accusation.
True.
4. You also accuse me of making false and defamatory statements about you in order to damage your reputation?
True. The evidence is on the forum, but I am not going to produce it.
5. You have, as yet, produced no evidence to support this accusation.
The evidence is on the forum, but I am not going to produce it

 

[rational experiences]

In a brain mind human physical phenomena experience you are only one human having the experience.

The exact truth.

A human born a baby now an adult. The heavenly body only belongs to earth that owns the changes.

You're just a human having an experience.

Like I saw visions caused as I changed by body brain mind I saw humans my family anywhere on earth dying in that moment.

It's realised life's sacrifice. It's psychic human.

So a man says seems God owns national man DNA that is different yet he is seemingly trying to give men all the same conscious mind. Said bahuallah meaning.

Advised.

So the variations to the body attack acute to mild.

Witnessed observed phenomena man of gods science as he him his thesis causes.

As the inference about change is directly advised as man's owned caused. Humans.

Now I saw a vision of first dinosaurs living on a lower planed huge earth jungle. Above on a plane of a mountain was an old pyramid reacting cause huge lightning struck earth. Earth pooling black liquid.

I thought my brother was living there. The advice in the vision so strong by AI as he had caused and amassed by man's science communication. It made me wonder was he alive then.

How strong his presence was in the causes. The dinosaurs died. I researched the body type yep were the first dinosaurs.

Hence I realised man's science had made the stars fall himself. As the moon had been the end of sun space earth attack.

Other psychics discussed it as a war of the gods or a UFO war advised man of science on earth had been involved. Had activated it.

Reasoned heated atmosphere earth wanders from leaves it's heated space.

If stars were frozen and fell it meant earth fell too losing its mass apportioned to star loss. Space pressure freeze anywhere the same.

Notified of natural history by man's owned historic sciences returns was real. I was taught it was.

Otherwise man's machine earth built technology would not be able to communicate into out of space.

As his satellite was attacked by space owned incoming hot communications you know it's not safe to be studying technologies as AI states.

From space.

Reason star gases own colours stated to be owned by humans life sacrificed conditions. Coat of colours human father's science of God theses.

Was a humans teaching about what adult human men in science knew and then caused. Life's sacrifice.

We live in a blue sky earth heavens cooled by white cloud mass conditions. Taught scientists. Holy heavens only supports life as a blue sky.

Even the idea of a blue eyed God with white hair was frightening said human scientists as it released huge reactive causes. Hidden beneath the peaceful heavens that suddenly attack life.

So men of science knew old before 0 AD was accepted no theorising the past. Said my science caused light to be voided huge earthquakes volcanic reaction massive lightning strikes.

I activated it but god owned it I thought the end of life had arrived.

It was that incident that taught me the modern design nuclear power plant.

So theist a human egotist said I took the heavens reaction now I own and operate it by control machine.

In mind using memory as the theist.

Yet he was not doing what he said he had achieved. By theses.

My teaching by our holy earth family human father.. said he lies in human mind as the theist about how powerful he thinks he is as just a human.

As he theories.

Natural warning was about human behaviour.

As Armageddon is inside his nuclear power plant reaction.

However once nature endured it.

If it began in nature we all know hence it will eventually end in nature's attack.

The earths teaching to humans.

 

[Tiberius]

We can know what Baha'u'llah did and said without having to rely on sources Baha'u'llah himself made. How do you think we can do that?

No we can't. You said, "If the claims were NOT in the writings how could we know what Baha'u'llah claimed? In other words, where else would we find the claims of Baha'u'llah, posted on a the bulletin board at the corner grocery store??"

This is saying that we can't find what Mr B said and did WITHOUT turning to his writings, no you say we can.

Make. Up. Your. Mind.

There is no accurate full history of the Baha'i Faith written by non-Baha'is because it was the early Baha'is ho chronicled the Baha'i history. Why would anyone else be interested in chronicling that history? However, you can verify that what the Baha'is wrote is accurate by consulting impartial sources, such as the Encyclopedia.

Baha’i Faith | History, Practices, & Facts

If you consult sources written my Christians or Muslims, who are against the Baha'i Faith you are going to get biased information because they have a vested interest in presenting Baha'i in a unfavorable light.

We have Roman and Jewish scholars documenting the beginnings of Christianity. Why should we have non-Baha'is documenting the beginning of Bahai?

 

[Tiberius]

And you will be waiting for that till hell freezes over. NO RELIGION CAN BE PROVEN AS A FACT.

I KNOW.

That's my point. Why would you want to accept something as a fact if it can't be shown to be a fact?

That's right, everyone has the same exact problem recognizing Baha'u'llah because narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)

How nice, you've found a passage that gives you reassurance. "Don't worry, all those people who disagree with you? The problem is with them, not you."

Where did you get the idea God wants to make sure 'as many people as possible' reach the true conclusion about the religion? God makes it difficult in order to separate the wheat from the chaff. I guess you never read your Bible, where Jesus talked about separating the wheat from the chaff.

The Parable of the Weeds
Matthew 13:29 "But he said, 'No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

What Baha’u’llah wrote below confirms what Jesus said above. God separates the sincere seekers (wheat) from the wayward and perverse (chaff).

"He Who is the Day Spring of Truth is, no doubt, fully capable of rescuing from such remoteness wayward souls and of causing them to draw nigh unto His court and attain His Presence. “If God had pleased He had surely made all men one people.” His purpose, however, is to enable the pure in spirit and the detached in heart to ascend, by virtue of their own innate powers, unto the shores of the Most Great Ocean, that thereby they who seek the Beauty of the All-Glorious may be distinguished and separated from the wayward and perverse. Thus hath it been ordained by the all-glorious and resplendent Pen…" Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 71

So God doesn't want everyone to know the truth, huh?

Once again you run from any chance to show your religious faith can actually do something real.

 

[Trailblazer]

No we can't. You said, "If the claims were NOT in the writings how could we know what Baha'u'llah claimed? In other words, where else would we find the claims of Baha'u'llah, posted on a the bulletin board at the corner grocery store??"

This is saying that we can't find what Mr B said and did WITHOUT turning to his writings, no you say we can.

Make. Up. Your. Mind.

I said:
We can know what Baha'u'llah did and said without having to rely on sources Baha'u'llah himself made. How do you think we can do that?

I was referring to what Baha'u'llah said in His writings and what He did on His mission. We can know about those by reading books and articles written about the Baha'i Faith.

I was not referring to what Baha'u'llah claimed. We have to read His Writings (or someone else quoting Baha'u'llah in their writings) in order to know what Baha'u'llah claimed.

We have Roman and Jewish scholars documenting the beginnings of Christianity. Why should we have non-Baha'is documenting the beginning of Bahai?

Did we have Roman and Jewish scholars documenting the beginnings of Christianity when Jesus walked the earth? What contemporaries were there who wrote about Jesus, other than what is in the New Testament? The NT is the record of who Jesus was and what Jesus did on his mission, just as The Dawn-Breakers and God Passes By are records of who Baha'u'llah as and what He did on His mission. the hundred-dollar difference is that the authors of the NT never even knew Jesus whereas those who chronicled the Baha'i Faith knew Baha'u'llah.

 

[Trailblazer]

I KNOW.

That's my point. Why would you want to accept something as a fact if it can't be shown to be a fact?

Because there is plenty of evidence.

How nice, you've found a passage that gives you reassurance. "Don't worry, all those people who disagree with you? The problem is with them, not you."

I do not look at it that way, thinking that "all the other people have a problem."
It is just that they were unable to enter through the narrow gate and follow the narrow road and there are reasons for that.

Logic and reason tell us that few people are able to enter through the narrow gate because it is narrow, so it is difficult to get through and few people are able to follow the narrow road because it is narrow, so it is difficult to walk on. It is much easier to enter through a wide gate and walk on abroad road.

It is difficult to get through the narrow gate because one has to be willing to give up all their preconceived ideas, have an open mind, and think for themselves. Most people do not embark upon such a journey. They go through the wide gate, the easy one to get through – their own religious tradition or their own preconceived ideas about God or no god. They follow that broad road that is easiest for them to travel.... and that is why the NEW religion is always rejected by most people for a very long time after it has been revealed.

So God doesn't want everyone to know the truth, huh?

I never said that, but God wants them to know ON HIS TERMS, not on their terms.

Once again you run from any chance to show your religious faith can actually do something real.

Are you referring to prayers again?
How do you know my prayers were not answered?
I will have you know that since I started saying prayers for 90 minutes while walking I have seen a change. I never pray for anything specific, I leave it up to God to decide what I need.

Well, that is not entirely true. Sometimes I pray for something specific, but it is always for someone else, not for myself. For example, there is an atheist I have been conversing with almost daily for about eight years on other forums and sometimes I pray for him. I never thought I would see a change, I mean eight years is a long time, but lately since I have been praying I have see a change. I consider that a miracle! Of course you would only know why if you knew the way he was before and the way he has been until recently.

Everyone who knows me and him told me a long time ago to stop posting to him because it just went in circles year after year, and nothing ever changed. I did stop posting to him for a while, but I always returned to post to him again. It has been a long rocky road and I don't know if it will ever lead anywhere, but I will know that I did my best. I suspect (although I do not know) that deep down in the unconscious he really wants to believe in God, he just has been unable to so far, but all things are possible with God, and that is what the faith moving mountains verse is all about!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Atheism is the belief that there is no God or higher beings. It is a belief. A belief that is in fact, dependent on the idea that there is the possibility of a God or higher being. It's an oxymoron and contradiction of itself.



If it's a new element, smaller than quarks and muons, something that should be included on the standard model, I would say you would have to ask the fellas over at the super colliders and define the atomic mass to them and request if they could begin keeping an eye out for it. When they detect your 'everything particle' that would be sufficient evidence for me.

Atheism is the lack of belief in God(s). In other words, it's not a positive assertion and not a belief.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why would an atheist be on a religion forum, unless there was something they needed to say regarding the matter? A disbelief would be represented in action, by an ignoring of the matter altogether. I have friends who are of that mindset, and they do not claim atheist. They claim to, "Not give a f-word". You believe what you will though.

Why does everyone always think this is some sort of "gotcha" question?

Atheists live in a world surrounded by other people who claim that Gods exist.
Why is it weird to you that an atheist would want to engage in discussion with people they share the world with?

 

[samtonga43]

Tb....
You say (#5881) that the evidence of what you alone describe as my ‘stalking’ behaviour is “plastered all over this forum”. But this is very obviously untrue. Do you know how many threads there are on this forum? I believe I have posted on perhaps three of these threads.
I think that “plastered all over this forum” can be seen (by anyone able to think logically) to be a gross exaggeration.
What Are Oversimplification and Exaggeration Fallacies?
Appeal to Extremes

Tb says: "The staff knows that I have no problems with anyone else so you don't have a leg to stand on".
Think again: Here is the strong and supportive leg on which I stand:
1. You are accusing me of being a stalker.
2. You have, as yet, no evidence to support this accusation.
3. You will not apologize for making this accusation.
4. You also accuse me of making false and defamatory statements about you in order to damage your reputation.
5. You have, as yet, produced no evidence to support this accusation.

 

[Trailblazer]

Tb....
You say (#5881) that the evidence of what you alone describe as my ‘stalking’ behaviour is “plastered all over this forum”. But this is very obviously untrue. Do you know how many threads there are on this forum? I believe I have posted on perhaps three of these threads.
I think that “plastered all over this forum” can be seen (by anyone able to think logically) to be a gross exaggeration.
What Are Oversimplification and Exaggeration Fallacies?
Appeal to Extremes

Tb says: "The staff knows that I have no problems with anyone else so you don't have a leg to stand on".
Think again: Here is the strong and supportive leg on which I stand:
1. You are accusing me of being a stalker.
2. You have, as yet, no evidence to support this accusation.
3. You will not apologize for making this accusation.
4. You also accuse me of making false and defamatory statements about you in order to damage your reputation.
5. You have, as yet, produced no evidence to support this accusation.

I have said I 'felt like' I was being stalked.
There is evidence to support what I just said.
I will not apologize for saying I felt like I was being stalked.
You have made false and defamatory statements about me and I do not know why.
There is evidence to support what I just said.

 

[samtonga43]

I have said I 'felt like' I was being stalked.

You did. You also said, more than once, that I have been stalking you.
If I were you I would not deny this...

I will not apologize for saying I felt like I was being stalked.

Will you apologize for saying that I have been stalking you?

You have made false and defamatory statements about me and I do not know why. There is evidence to support what I just said.

Then PROVIDE someof this evidence, One or two of these 'false and defamatory statements' would add some credence to your position.

 

[Tiberius]

I said:
We can know what Baha'u'llah did and said without having to rely on sources Baha'u'llah himself made. How do you think we can do that?

I was referring to what Baha'u'llah said in His writings and what He did on His mission. We can know about those by reading books and articles written about the Baha'i Faith.

And such books and articles were written based on sources that Mr B made, weren't they?

I was not referring to what Baha'u'llah claimed. We have to read His Writings (or someone else quoting Baha'u'llah in their writings) in order to know what Baha'u'llah claimed.

Why don't we have any works by others who were there?

There are lots of people for whom we have records of what they claimed, even if they never wrote a word, since their claims were recorded by others.

Did we have Roman and Jewish scholars documenting the beginnings of Christianity when Jesus walked the earth? What contemporaries were there who wrote about Jesus, other than what is in the New Testament? The NT is the record of who Jesus was and what Jesus did on his mission, just as The Dawn-Breakers and God Passes By are records of who Baha'u'llah as and what He did on His mission. the hundred-dollar difference is that the authors of the NT never even knew Jesus whereas those who chronicled the Baha'i Faith knew Baha'u'llah.

Don't you think it's a tad hypocritical for you to be using this argument to cast doubt on it when you hold Jesus up as a forebear of Mr B?

 

[Tiberius]

Because there is plenty of evidence.

Circumstantial at best, and nowhere near enough to eliminate other possible explanations.

I do not look at it that way, thinking that "all the other people have a problem."
It is just that they were unable to enter through the narrow gate and follow the narrow road and there are reasons for that.

You miss my point.

I never said that, but God wants them to know ON HIS TERMS, not on their terms.

Actually, you said God wants people to decide based on their own views and biases. Sounds like that would most certainly NOT be on God's terms, but the terms of the person coming to the belief!

Are you referring to prayers again?
How do you know my prayers were not answered?
I will have you know that since I started saying prayers for 90 minutes while walking I have seen a change. I never pray for anything specific, I leave it up to God to decide what I need.

So you pray, and if something - ANYTHING - changes, then your prayer was answered.

 

[Trailblazer]

You did. You also said, more than once, that I have been stalking you.
If I were you I would not deny this...

I do not deny it. Below is everything I said about stalking.

February 21, 2022

You cannot change that by stalking me. My beliefs seem to bother you. Otherwise I have no idea why you keep stalking me. Stalking me is not going to get rid of me. I'll leave when I am ready. The Christian on another forum does not ...

February 24, 2022

Nobody who was not bothered by it would stalk me, following me from thread to thread, trying to make me look bad to other posters, calling me illogical when there is no basis for that accusation except that you do not LIKE the conclusion ...

You continue to stalk me, you cannot help yourself. Nobody else on this forum behaves like you. That should tell you something, if you ever bothered to look at yourself instead of looking at me. Why is it that I have been on this forum ...

March 16, 2022

can see that my beliefs bother the hell out of a certain Christian on this thread since she has been stalking me, following me from thread to thread for a whole year, criticizing my thinking process and my beliefs, but I do not know what ...

March 17, 2022

They are not the ones being stalked so they don't know what it is like to be stalked. A policeman might not believe a person who reports a stalker but that does not mean there is no stalker running about. I don't know because all I can ...

March 17, 2022

You have been reported before for your stalking behavior so the staff knows about it. You can't leave me alone, anyone can see that. If you cannot see it maybe it is subconscious. ...

March 18, 2022

What determines if they are stalking me is if they FOLLOW ME from thread to thread and exhibit certain behaviors. What is being stalked like? A crime in many jurisdictions, it generally involves unwanted or obsessive attention ...

March 18, 2022

I will let you know if I 'feel' like I am being stalked again.

March 19, 2022

Stalking is not just following someone. Stalking is unwanted or obsessive attention, following, harassing, or monitoring behavior that might cause a reasonable person to experience fear. Google ... You are ...

March 19, 2022

I only posted the definition of stalking. I did not say you were 'doing' what the definition says. If someone said they felt like they were being stalked by me I would look at what they said that and what I was doing that might cause ...

March 19, 2022

Because I felt like I was being stalked and it has been going on for a long time. It was MY mistake in posting the definition. We all make mistakes since we are human. Only God is infallible. The important thing is that we can ...

March 19, 2022

I am not afraid of your threats but I will remove the posts that reference stalking if you want to provide me the post numbers because I have no need for the posts to remain. I will not apologize because I did nothing wrong. I was ...

March 20, 2022

I only posted the definition to convey what it feels like to be stalked. I did not make an apology. I offered to delete posts that referred to stalking once she identifies them. Sometimes I said: "I never said you had been doing it ...

March 20, 2022

Moreover, nowhere did I say everything in the definition of stalking that I posted applied to the poster in question. I only posted the definition to convey what it might feel like to be stalked by someone. That is true, but it is not ...

March 23, 2022

False, I said I 'felt like' I was being stalked. 2. You have, as yet, no evidence to support this accusation. The evidence is on the forum, but I am not going to produce it 3. You will not apologize for making this accusation. True. 4 ...

March 24, 2022

I have said I 'felt like' I was being stalked. There is evidence to support what I just said. I will not apologize for saying I felt like I was being stalked. You have made false and defamatory statements about me and I do not know why ...

Will you apologize for saying that I have been stalking you?

No, I will not apologize for what you have been doing.

On March 19, I offered to delete the posts that referred to stalking (as noted above), but you did not take me up on my offer, you just kept stalking me, so now that offer is off the table.

Then PROVIDE some of this evidence, One or two of these 'false and defamatory statements' would add some credence to your position.

Below are just a few examples, and it goes on and on and on and on, ad nauseum. There is no discussion, only constant criticism.

This is the crux of the matter. This is exactly what Tb cannot recognize. When I say 'cannot' I really mean that she is unable to understand what has happened to her. I don't mean that she has tried to understand and failed. I mean that she has locked herself into a brainwashed state of mind and she has lost the key.

Words/concepts like knowledge, meaning, evidence, truth, proof, belief are used to suit whatever point she is making at the time. There is a mechanical flavour about it all that (to me) is quite disturbing.
#5738 samtonga43, Mar 16, 2022

If many non-Baha'is are saying the same thing to you, and each of these non-Baha'is is doing so independently, it may be time to consider if they have a point. What do you think, Tb?
#5739 samtonga43, Mar 16, 2022

You think in a way that relates only slightly to a matter? Well, yes. This is obvious to all.
[QUOTE="Trailblazer, post: 7586954, member: 63455"I see that as usual you could not pass up an opportunity to criticize me again, unaware that this says more about you that it says about anything I actually did[/QUOTE]
There's more than one person criticizing your posts, Tb.
#5505 samtonga43, Mar 3, 2022

*Sigh* Yes, believe it or not, we are all aware of this fallacious argument. No need to repeat yourself ad nauseam. However, It was you, all by yourself, who said that you think tangentially (in a way that relates only slightly to a matter). I just agreed with you.

If you persist in this lack of self-knowledge you will never move forward.
#5509 samtonga43, Mar 4, 2022

However, someone who congratulates herself for 'thinking logically' should perhaps consider what many people have told you. This would be the logical thing to do.

To simply dismiss what many people have told you would be to commit the argument by pigheadedness, a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given.
Invincible ignorance fallacy - Wikipedia
#5692 samtonga43, Mar 15, 2022

Me too. I honestly believe that Tb's fellow Bahai's will not be happy with her presentation of their beliefs.
#5517 samtonga43, Mar 7, 2022

P1 I have permission to respond to posts on this forum
P2 I respond to Tb’s posts about what she believes and why she believes it.
Conclusion:
Tb is mistaken when she says that what she believes is ‘none of my business’.

I am. I am discussing the errors in your logical thinking process which lead to your belief that you are correct. By the way, can you clear something up for me? Are you unsure of the meaning of the word ‘discussion’, or the term ‘none of your business’? Is this why you have to refer to a dictionary for the definitions?
#5349 samtonga43, Feb 24, 2022

 

[Trailblazer]

And such books and articles were written based on sources that Mr B made, weren't they?

No. They were based upon what Baha'u'llah did.

Why don't we have any works by others who were there?

There are lots of people for whom we have records of what they claimed, even if they never wrote a word, since their claims were recorded by others.

We do have works by others who were there and recorded the claims.
These works are The Dawn-Breakers and God Passes By.

Don't you think it's a tad hypocritical for you to be using this argument to cast doubt on it when you hold Jesus up as a forebear of Mr B?

Why would that be hypocritical?

 

[Trailblazer]

Actually, you said God wants people to decide based on their own views and biases. Sounds like that would most certainly NOT be on God's terms, but the terms of the person coming to the belief!

Tibs: So God doesn't want everyone to know the truth, huh?
Tb: I never said that, but God wants them to know ON HIS TERMS, not on their terms.

HIS TERMS are knowing the truth by recognizing His Messenger and what He revealed.

God wants people to decide based on their own views and biases, but if their own views and biases do not lead to recognize the Messenger then that's the breaks.

So you pray, and if something - ANYTHING - changes, then your prayer was answered.

No, that is not what I said. I needed to know what I was looking for.

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

Why does everyone always think this is some sort of "gotcha" question?

Atheists live in a world surrounded by other people who claim that Gods exist.
Why is it weird to you that an atheist would want to engage in discussion with people they share the world with?

I was basing my judgement on personal relationships with my many atheist friends. Since I posted this two weeks ago, learned of the 'degrees' of atheism that exist.

Many of my friends would land on the 'Implicit Atheist' section of the following graph:

Atheism is the lack of belief in God(s). In other words, it's not a positive assertion and not a belief.

I would point you towards the category of individuals within 'strong atheism' in the above chart to provide that it involves both ideals believer and non-believer. I myself was incorrect in the meaning of the 'a' prefix, as I thought it represented 'anti' rather than the true meaning of 'not'. I'm still surprised that those indifferent to theism would self-ascribe using terms rooted in religiosity such as the root 'gnosi', unless the intent were to not be 'not', but that's my own perception.

Likewise, from my point of view I don't believe in sasquatch. I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in traditional magic. I DO live in a world full of people who have unwavering belief in such things, but I wouldn't join a forum to prove or disprove their extraordinary claims, or accuse the believers as being foolish or lacking in intellect for their beliefs, or otherwise use snide language to insult them. If my purpose was to enlighten or open their mind to alternative ideas, I know such strategies of ill-intent will only drive them further into their ideals. If I simply wanted to inquire their opinions/beliefs, these strategies would likewise prevent them from being open to sharing personal positions as I had shown a potentiality to attack such ideas. It's a strange concept to me, as I went a decade with an indifferent perspective of the matter of religion, but I didn't consider that my identity, I definitely wasn't seeking debate with that community.

Just personal bias combined with a previous error with the vocabulary prefix 'a'. It wasn't a 'gotcha' it was an 'explain yourself, grr!' which was aroused by several individuals' patronizing and/or condescending language.

Negative begets negative.

 

[Tiberius]

No. They were based upon what Baha'u'llah did.

Which we know about because of what Mr B wrote.

We do have works by others who were there and recorded the claims.
These works are The Dawn-Breakers and God Passes By.

Then it looks like you have answered your own question from post 5887. Were you unaware of this answer when you asked the question? If you knew about this answer back then, why did you ask the question?

Why would that be hypocritical?

Because you are casting doubt on the NT accounts of Jesus, yet you also use those same accounts to bolster your own religious beliefs.

 

[Tiberius]

Tibs: So God doesn't want everyone to know the truth, huh?
Tb: I never said that, but God wants them to know ON HIS TERMS, not on their terms.

HIS TERMS are knowing the truth by recognizing His Messenger and what He revealed.

And why did he choose those as his terms? What goal does he accomplish with them?

God wants people to decide based on their own views and biases, but if their own views and biases do not lead to recognize the Messenger then that's the breaks.

Given the small number of Baha'is in the world, it doesn't seem like things are going God's way, does it? I'd expect better performance from a plan developed by the Almighty creator of the universe and all things.

No, that is not what I said. I needed to know what I was looking for.

You literally just said, "I never pray for anything specific, I leave it up to God to decide what I need."

 

[Trailblazer]

Which we know about because of what Mr B wrote.

No, what Baha'u'llah wrote is separate from what Baha'u'llah did.
We know what Baha'u'llah did on His mission from what other people wrote.

Then it looks like you have answered your own question from post 5887. Were you unaware of this answer when you asked the question? If you knew about this answer back then, why did you ask the question?

I was asking you the question, I already knew the answer.

Because you are casting doubt on the NT accounts of Jesus, yet you also use those same accounts to bolster your own religious beliefs.

I do not use the NT to bolster my beliefs. As the return of Christ, Baha'u'llah fulfilled the promises of Jesus, so sometimes I refer to those. Sometimes I quote NT verses that I like but not to bolster my beliefs. It is not necessary for all the NT stories about Jesus to be accurate in order for the spiritual teachings of Jesus to be true.