Trailblazer
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You can never admit you are wrong when you are proven wrong...
What's that called?
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Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?
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What's that called?
Trailblazer
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It does not really matter how many people believe or disbelieve in God because that has no bearing on whether God exists or not, as I just explained to you on the other thread.
Trailblazer
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I found it.
Sheldon
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It is absolutely a bare appeal it numbers, since there is no evidence in that claim to support it, and it is a no true Scotsman fallacy as well. making a bare claim that there is evidence, is not evidence.
Sheldon
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So which is it? Is the number of believers indicative of evidence, or is it of no matter? You seem again to be producing contradictory ideas.
Sheldon
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It's not reliable though, if it were there would be a broad consensus that your deity was the real one, and there is not. Humans have imagined literally thousands of deities, and even monotheism has diverged into countless schisms and new religions, like yours, they come and they go, reliable evidence would negate that.
Trailblazer
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The number of believers is of no matter. There is evidence but few people recognize the evidence.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
ppp
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He didn't. That is not an explanation. For one thing, "exists" is undefined in that sentence. For another, God is defined in terms which themselves are untethered from reality.
Claiming a god has literally no more explanatory power than does claiming "magic" as a cause.
Trailblazer
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Now that would be a perfect example of the ad populum fallacy.
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."
This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to democracy, appeal to popularity, argument by consensus, consensus fallacy, authority of the many, bandwagon fallacy,
Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia
No, there is no reason to think there would be a broad consensus because most people do not recognize the evidence for my deity for various reasons.
Below are seven reasons why more people have not recognized the evidence for Baha’u’llah, yet.
1. Many people have never heard of the Baha’i Faith, so they do not know there is something to look for. It is the responsibility of the Baha’is to get the message out, so if that is not happening, the Baha’is are to blame. However, once the message has been delivered the Baha’is are not to blame if people reject the message.
2. But even after people know about the Baha’i Faith, most people are not even willing to look the evidence in order to determine if it is true or not.
3. Even if they are willing to look at the evidence, there is a lot of prejudice before even getting out the door to look at the evidence.
4. 84% of people in the world already have a religion and they are happy with their religion so they have no interest in a “new religion.”
5. The rest of the world’s population is agnostics or atheists or believers who are prejudiced against all religion.
6. Agnostics or atheists and atheists and believers who have no religion either do not believe that God communicates via Messengers or they find fault with the Messenger, Baha’u’llah.
7. Baha’u’llah brought new teachings and laws that are very different from the older religions so many people are suspicious of those teachings and/or don’t like the laws because some laws require them to give things up that they like doing.
ppp
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So you claim.
Trailblazer
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It is an explanation but not the only explanation.
God was the cause has more explanatory power than claiming "magic" as a cause. Magic has no power to create anything.
Trailblazer
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So I believe.
ppp
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On what basis do you claim that 93% of the people believe because they see evidence?
ppp
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I gave you the reason it is not an explanation. Your response lacks any reciprocal content.
ppp
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I assumed that you believed what you claimed.
ppp
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Trailblazer
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No all of the 93% believe because they see evidence. Some people believe in God just because it makes sense to them that God exists.
But people who are religious believe in God because of the evidence, and that evidence is the Messenger of God or Prophet or holy man they believe in.
84 percent of the world population has a faith and because most faiths have a religious Founder or what I call a Messenger that means most people believe in God because of a Messenger. It does not matter if you call them a Messenger; they are holy men who founded the religions, so they are intermediaries between God and man. Sure, there are a few believers who believe in God but not a Messenger but that is not the norm.
The point is that with no men who act as "intermediaries" between God and man very few people would believe in God. I believe the Messengers are the evidence that God exists because God sent them from Heaven as evidence.
CG Didymus
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93% of people see evidence of what? God? Evidence like, "I know it's true, because I can feel God's love in my heart." Or, "I know it's true, because the Word of God, the Bible, says it's true." How many of us "assumed" there was a God simply because we were told there was a God. Then comes defining who that God is. What is the percentage of people agree on that?
Trailblazer
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A belief is not a claim unless one is making a claim about their belief.
Trailblazer
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No, I always admit when I am wrong and there are many instances of me admitting I am wrong posted on this forum, but when I know I am not wrong I do not admit I am wrong because that is unjust. I will not admit to committing logical fallacies I did not commit just because some people misapply logical fallacies and then they cannot admit they are wrong.