Spiderman
Veteran Member
First off, I'm not trying to get anyone to believe in the Bible...so don't bring it up!...Much of the Bible I find ridiculous and goes against my conscience. Most people who believe in supernatural entities, don't believe the Bible is without error. Even over a billion Catholic Christians do not use the Bible as the sole rule of their faith, and many don't follow it for that matter.
Regarding the question in the poll...you can only use so many words in the question...what I'm really asking, is "are you willing to admit that supernatural entities may indeed contact certain people, may indeed give visions, may indeed miraculously heal people?
How do you know all the Catholic Saints, stigmatics, Prophets, visionaries, mystics, or healers were all delusional? How do you know all the Sadhu's, Gurus, Polytheistic Priests, Shamans, medicine men, and necromancers were all just following thoughts in their head...How do you know they weren't connecting to a spririt-world, interacting with spiritual entities (good or bad), and going on vision quests with spirit-guides? How do you know they weren't bringing messages from the spirit-world to their tribe and sometimes channeling healing energy from the spirit-world to the material world, causing miraculous healings?
Many eyewitnesses have testified that they witnessed these unexplainable mystic phenomenon, or been healed by these people, or had someone read their heart, tell them things about themselves they shouldn't know, or give a prophecy that came true.
Statistics show that roughly 93% of people in our enlightened century believe in Spiritual entities...How do you know that much of the world embraces a delusion and often center their whole lives around it...are 93% of the people insane...How do you know that their reason for believing isn't based on evidence that the Creator left them?
Okay, so there are fossils indicating that at one time in history there were homo erectus (and homo whatever)... that had different skulls
How on earth does that mean there was no supernatural creator? So, at one time the creator worked with the mechanisms of Science to create homo-erectus with different skulls than ours. For whatever reason, they went extinct...
Isn't it interesting that Chimps, monkeys, orangutans, baboons, and gorillas survived, but these other homo erectus, who should have been more clever, went extinct...hmmm....maybe they were dumber than a box of rocks?
How does that prove there is no supernatural entity? So we have some fossils...do we see evidence that a single cell organism can come into existence (how?) and then mutate into fish, Dinosaurs, reptiles, birds, rodents, insects, arachnids, mammals, and eventually you??
I'm firmly convinced that such transformation and mutations do not happen with scientific mechanisms as the sole basis for such glorious and beautiful transformation.
Do we see any living creatures in the 21st century that are transitioning and mutating into another species?
Atheists keep telling me....why believe something when there is no evidence....*sign*...it's exhausting repeating myself.
Many people, including Doctors and scientists have made statements that would indicate there is evidence that the creator is indeed giving people signs....There are Scientists who believe in Supernatural entities..(but people who don't want to believe will find every source they can that *"debunks it"*.) How do you know they are mistaken and delusional?
I know I've said this before...but atheists keep asking for evidence, so I'll repeat myself:
Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia
Of course the sun didn't dance in the sky....we all know that...it was a vision that a crowd of thousands of people said they saw, and wrote about it, and media and cameras were there. Many communists, skeptics, atheists, and freemasons showed up to mock the event and were stunned with what they saw...it was a sign for them....nothing happened to the sun...And three illiterate shepherd children made prophecies about serious future calamities like the rise of communism in Russia, the spread of communism throughout the world, and the coming of world war 2, and that the sky would be illuminated by an unknown light, prior to world war 2, it all happened...
(In spite of much study and investigation, scientists were unable to explain the great light that “struck fear into the hearts of millions” (F. Johnston). An unknown light in 1938 demands our attention – even today - Our Lady's Blue Army - World Apostolate of Fatima U.S.A.) that did take place, and they prophesied about the coming of their early death, all of which took place.
A sign was promised to all who showed up at a certain place, on a certain day, and thousands of eye-witnesses claim they saw the sun dance for approx. ten minutes, and then plunge down on the crowd. Many communists and atheists witnessed this and converted...it lead to religious fervor that was largely responsible for the fall of communism in Portugal.. How do you know there was no supernatural entity that gave these people a sign?...Were you there? Well, that is evidence. In fact, it changed the world in many ways, established a feast day that is celebrated by over a billion people, lead to movies, documentaries, many books as well...a massive shrine was erected there, the seers were canonized, and millions of pilgrims go there every years. Something very well may have happened there.
Maybe the creator did leave evidence for those people...you simply don't know.
Whenever there is supernatural phenomenon, there will be skeptics who come up with a clever rebuttal for it. People believe what they want to. There are sources that claim to "rebuttal" almost anything controversial or supernatural.
More miracles:
Infallible Catholic: Miraculous Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles
The Medical committee at Lourdes is totally independent of the Church. They use skeptics on the committees, the rules are geared to control for remission. They screen our remission. They are required to use only the best medical evidence, to consult the doctors of the patients and they cannot make decisions without obtaining the medical records of those doctors. "They do examine the patients. It does have to be proven that the people were sick beforehand! they will only choose a case when they cannot find a naturalistic explaination."
cientific Evidence for Miracles page 1: examination of the Lourdes rules for miracel acceptence.
So, a single cell organism eventually managed to mutate into this...(sometimes a picture can speak volumes. Evolution is artistic):
Regarding the question in the poll...you can only use so many words in the question...what I'm really asking, is "are you willing to admit that supernatural entities may indeed contact certain people, may indeed give visions, may indeed miraculously heal people?
How do you know all the Catholic Saints, stigmatics, Prophets, visionaries, mystics, or healers were all delusional? How do you know all the Sadhu's, Gurus, Polytheistic Priests, Shamans, medicine men, and necromancers were all just following thoughts in their head...How do you know they weren't connecting to a spririt-world, interacting with spiritual entities (good or bad), and going on vision quests with spirit-guides? How do you know they weren't bringing messages from the spirit-world to their tribe and sometimes channeling healing energy from the spirit-world to the material world, causing miraculous healings?
Many eyewitnesses have testified that they witnessed these unexplainable mystic phenomenon, or been healed by these people, or had someone read their heart, tell them things about themselves they shouldn't know, or give a prophecy that came true.
Statistics show that roughly 93% of people in our enlightened century believe in Spiritual entities...How do you know that much of the world embraces a delusion and often center their whole lives around it...are 93% of the people insane...How do you know that their reason for believing isn't based on evidence that the Creator left them?
Okay, so there are fossils indicating that at one time in history there were homo erectus (and homo whatever)... that had different skulls
How on earth does that mean there was no supernatural creator? So, at one time the creator worked with the mechanisms of Science to create homo-erectus with different skulls than ours. For whatever reason, they went extinct...
Isn't it interesting that Chimps, monkeys, orangutans, baboons, and gorillas survived, but these other homo erectus, who should have been more clever, went extinct...hmmm....maybe they were dumber than a box of rocks?
How does that prove there is no supernatural entity? So we have some fossils...do we see evidence that a single cell organism can come into existence (how?) and then mutate into fish, Dinosaurs, reptiles, birds, rodents, insects, arachnids, mammals, and eventually you??
I'm firmly convinced that such transformation and mutations do not happen with scientific mechanisms as the sole basis for such glorious and beautiful transformation.
Do we see any living creatures in the 21st century that are transitioning and mutating into another species?
Atheists keep telling me....why believe something when there is no evidence....*sign*...it's exhausting repeating myself.
Many people, including Doctors and scientists have made statements that would indicate there is evidence that the creator is indeed giving people signs....There are Scientists who believe in Supernatural entities..(but people who don't want to believe will find every source they can that *"debunks it"*.) How do you know they are mistaken and delusional?
I know I've said this before...but atheists keep asking for evidence, so I'll repeat myself:
Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia
Of course the sun didn't dance in the sky....we all know that...it was a vision that a crowd of thousands of people said they saw, and wrote about it, and media and cameras were there. Many communists, skeptics, atheists, and freemasons showed up to mock the event and were stunned with what they saw...it was a sign for them....nothing happened to the sun...And three illiterate shepherd children made prophecies about serious future calamities like the rise of communism in Russia, the spread of communism throughout the world, and the coming of world war 2, and that the sky would be illuminated by an unknown light, prior to world war 2, it all happened...
(In spite of much study and investigation, scientists were unable to explain the great light that “struck fear into the hearts of millions” (F. Johnston). An unknown light in 1938 demands our attention – even today - Our Lady's Blue Army - World Apostolate of Fatima U.S.A.) that did take place, and they prophesied about the coming of their early death, all of which took place.
A sign was promised to all who showed up at a certain place, on a certain day, and thousands of eye-witnesses claim they saw the sun dance for approx. ten minutes, and then plunge down on the crowd. Many communists and atheists witnessed this and converted...it lead to religious fervor that was largely responsible for the fall of communism in Portugal.. How do you know there was no supernatural entity that gave these people a sign?...Were you there? Well, that is evidence. In fact, it changed the world in many ways, established a feast day that is celebrated by over a billion people, lead to movies, documentaries, many books as well...a massive shrine was erected there, the seers were canonized, and millions of pilgrims go there every years. Something very well may have happened there.
Maybe the creator did leave evidence for those people...you simply don't know.
Whenever there is supernatural phenomenon, there will be skeptics who come up with a clever rebuttal for it. People believe what they want to. There are sources that claim to "rebuttal" almost anything controversial or supernatural.
More miracles:
Infallible Catholic: Miraculous Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles
The Medical committee at Lourdes is totally independent of the Church. They use skeptics on the committees, the rules are geared to control for remission. They screen our remission. They are required to use only the best medical evidence, to consult the doctors of the patients and they cannot make decisions without obtaining the medical records of those doctors. "They do examine the patients. It does have to be proven that the people were sick beforehand! they will only choose a case when they cannot find a naturalistic explaination."
cientific Evidence for Miracles page 1: examination of the Lourdes rules for miracel acceptence.
So, a single cell organism eventually managed to mutate into this...(sometimes a picture can speak volumes. Evolution is artistic):
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