Atheists win! They have the fossils! What do the fossils prove?

[Spiderman]

Yes. All of the time. Have you ever heard of cichlids?

Their all still fish...

...okay...you have to take what I said in proper context...I was talking about one creature becoming another species in the sense of fish turning into amphibian turning into reptile, turning into whatever, and then eventually a mammal! We see no evidence in any mutations of animals living on the earth, which suggests that science mechanisms alone do not cause such mutations.

 

[Spiderman]

It doesn’t. God makes it look like things happen without any intervention which is almost the same as atheism being true due to god being an absentee landlord or deadbeat dad.

Sadly, I share similar sentiments.

 

[SomeRandom]

Aside from me calling those skulls homosapiens....(maybe they were, and we labeled them with a different name?)....
Which part of the OP was falsehood?

Well they were not homosapienssapiens' skulls. They are all different subspecies of humans and we overlap with at least some of them. You assume they are the skulls of our ancestors specifically, but they're more like our cousins. Homosapiens (I'm not sure if we're the "both sapiens kind" yet, kindly ask an anthropologist) left Africa around 120,000 years ago. Homoerectus occupied some parts of Asia up until (if memory serves) 30,000 years ago. I do know that hormoneandathalis lived in Europe and then Homo sapiens sapiens arrived. Can't remember the rough time estimate for that. Perhaps someone here can assist?
How about constantly conflating Abiogenisis (how life began) with the Theory of Evolution (how life changed.) That's pretty basic stuff right there.
How about asking constantly why Science, a discipline which strictly deals with observable natural phenomenon, cannot disprove or prove why a supernatural entity had anything to do with mechanisms involved in natural selection. Like what?

How about assuming that it's weird that homo erectus went extinct because they were presumably smarter than chimps. According to the boffins who study this, they actually did not devote a lot of their brain power to language. Also they had competition which included us and they had to contend with a super volcanic eruption. Truth is we helped kill the H Erectus. That and climate changes and we were just better at adapting. Homoneandathlis suffered a similar fate. We are the survivors of quite a few species of humans. It's not like H Erectus politely died so as to make way for the next sub species of human to directly take their place.

I'd provide links but I'm on my phone. So please allow me some time to get to appropriate tech in order to format it properly.

 

[Spiderman]

Well they were not homosapienssapiens' skulls. They are all different subspecies of humans and we overlap with at least some of them. You assume they are the skulls of our ancestors specifically, but they're more like our cousins. Homosapienssapiens left Africa around 120,000 years ago. Homoerectus occupied some parts of Asia up until (if memory serves) 40,000 years ago. I do know that hormoneandathalis lived in Europe and then Homo sapiens sapiens arrived.
How about constantly conflating Abiogenisis (how life began) with the Theory of Evolution (how life changed.) That's pretty basic stuff right there.
How about asking constantly why Science, a discipline which strictly deals with observable natural phenomenon, cannot disprove or prove why a supernatural entity had anything to do with mechanisms involved in natural selection. Like what?

How about assuming that it's weird that homo erectus went extinct because they were presumably smarter than chimps. According to the boffins who study this, they actually did not devote a lot of their brain power to language. Also they had competition which included us and they had to contend with a super volcanic eruption.

I'd provide links but I'm on my phone. So please allow me some time to get to appropriate tech in order to format it properly.

Thank you! That's better...yeah, being on the phone is a drag! Thanks for the contribution!

 

[Nakosis]

 

[Subduction Zone]

Their all still fish...

...okay...you have to take what I said in proper context...I was talking about one creature becoming another species in the sense of fish turning into amphibian turning into reptile, turning into whatever, and then eventually a mammal! We see no evidence in any mutations of animals living on the earth, which suggests that science mechanisms alone do not cause such mutations.

Of course they are. What did you expect? The sort of evolution that you are proposing would refute the theory of evolution.

 

[SomeRandom]

Thank you! That's better...yeah, being on the phone is a drag! Thanks for the contribution!

Aww @PopeADope. Sorry if I sounded harsh in my replies. I'm not much of a scientist, so it's just harder for me to explain sciencey concepts. Perhaps watching a nature documentary will help you understand this majestic world better?

 

[Polymath257]

How does the poster you show claim anything about atheism? The scientific theory of evolution has the evidence to back it up. That is all that is claimed. There are many Christians that agree with the science here. So it isn't a theist/atheist issue, in spite of what some on either side would like to think.

Humans evolved from other apes. The fossil evidence shows this. If your theology can handle that fact, then there is no problem. If not, then there is a problem reconciling your theology with science.

 

[Phantasman]

First off, I'm not trying to get anyone to believe in the Bible...so don't bring it up!...Much of the Bible I find ridiculous and goes against my conscience. Most people who believe in supernatural entities, don't believe the Bible is without error. Even over a billion Catholic Christians do not use the Bible as the sole rule of their faith, and many don't follow it for that matter.

The issues of historic evidence arises with Moses, not the gospel understanding of beginning. John 6 clearly addresses the errors of the Jewish fathers, as Jesus says they did not get their knowledge from God (heaven) especially Moses by name.

No one knows the size of Eden nor the dates. Neanderthals could have been the animal/human spoken of in the Gospel of Philip. Man was just another animal until he received the spirit, which made his thinking above that of the creator (god).

Before Christ came, there was no bread in the world, just as Paradise, the place were Adam was, had many trees to nourish the animals but no wheat to sustain man. Man used to feed like the animals, but when Christ came, the perfect man, he brought bread from heaven in order that man might be nourished with the food of man. The rulers thought that it was by their own power and will that they were doing what they did, but the Holy Spirit in secret was accomplishing everything through them as it wished. Truth, which existed since the beginning, is sown everywhere. And many see it being sown, but few are they who see it being reaped.- Philip

If Cain slew Abel, then left to be with the people of Nod, where did Nod come from and who were these people?

To understand the archons and Demiurge gives great understanding to why neanderthal man and dinosaurs (beasts) were part of the beginning. And why the creation was millions of years. And the meaning of the flood.

The question isn't as much as when was man created, as it is, when did man receive the spirit that took him above animal thinking progressing to intelligence of understanding that has brought him to what he is today. Dogs a million years ago are the same as they are today without spirit.

Neanderthal and (modern) man are two different things. They may have interbred. But they are from the Eurasia and N African area, where creation (of man) obviously began.

 

[Spiderman]

How does the poster you show claim anything about atheism? The scientific theory of evolution has the evidence to back it up. That is all that is claimed. There are many Christians that agree with the science here. So it isn't a theist/atheist issue, in spite of what some on either side would like to think.

Humans evolved from other apes. The fossil evidence shows this. If your theology can handle that fact, then there is no problem. If not, then there is a problem reconciling your theology with science.

I don't believe scientific mechanisms by themselves can cause such a profound mutation...we have 99% DNA similarity with Chimps....but are we really similar? We have universities, people that walk on the moon, dentists, Scientists, automobiles, credit cards, cell phones, Internet....Chimps haven't even invented a wheel or dug a well...and guess what? They never will...unless some profound mutation, that goes against anything we see in any living creature today, takes place.

If such a profound mutation did indeed take place, I simply am not able to believe it took place without the help and guidance of a supernatural force, a higher power, a creator.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't believe scientific mechanisms by themselves can cause such a profound mutation...we have 99% DNA similarity with Chimps....but are we really similar? We have universities, people that walk on the moon, dentists, Scientists, automobiles, credit cards, cell phones, Internet....Chimps haven't even invented a wheel or dug a well...and guess what? They never will...unless some profound mutation, that goes against anything we see in any living creature today, takes place.

If such a profound mutation did indeed take place, I simply am not able to believe it took place without the help and guidance of a supernatural force, a higher power, a creator.

This is a rather poor argument since for the vast majority of man's time on Earth he had accomplished none of these either.

 

[Spiderman]

Of course they are. What did you expect? The sort of evolution that you are proposing would refute the theory of evolution.

we all came from a single cell organism at one time, right? For billions of years, single cell organisms had the planet to themselves right? (t's a yes or no question. please answer.)

Then they became complex multicellular creatures who were the first animals, and they were a major success....later on they became fish, reptiles, amphibians, insects, rodents, dinosaurs, mammals, birds, primates, and eventually you...?...right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

we all came from a single cell organism at one time, right? For billions of years, single cell organisms had the planet to themselves right? (t's a yes or no question. please answer.)

Then they became complex multicellular creatures who were the first animals, and they were a major success....later on they became fish, reptiles, amphibians, insects, rodents, dinosaurs, mammals, birds, primates, and eventually you...?...right?

Yes, more or less right. Was there a point to that?

 

[Polymath257]

I don't believe scientific mechanisms by themselves can cause such a profound mutation...we have 99% DNA similarity with Chimps....but are we really similar? We have universities, people that walk on the moon, dentists, Scientists, automobiles, credit cards, cell phones, Internet....Chimps haven't even invented a wheel or dug a well...and guess what? They never will...unless some profound mutation, that goes against anything we see in any living creature today, takes place.

If such a profound mutation did indeed take place, I simply am not able to believe it took place without the help and guidance of a supernatural force, a higher power, a creator.

It's amazing how language can lead to culture, isn't it? It doens't take that much of a mutation. Dropping the throat a bit to allow better vocalization. No intervention by a creator required.

Don't forget that humans didn't build a well or invent the wheel until fairly recently. Most of the time we've been around, we've been hunter-gatherers with a fairly limited tool set.

 

[Spiderman]

This is a rather poor argument since for the vast majority of man's time on Earth he had accomplished none of these either.

What did chimps ever write...

The earliest chronologies date back to the earliest civilizations of Early Dynastic Period Egypt, Mesopotamia & Sumerians [3] which emerged independently of each other from roughly 3500 B.C.[4] Earliest recorded history, which varies greatly in quality and reliability, deals with Pharaohs and their reigns, made by ancient Egyptians.[5] Much of the earliest recorded history was re-discovered relatively recently due to archaeological dig sites findings.[6] A number of different traditions have developed in different parts of the world as to how to interpret these ancient accounts.
Recorded history - Wikipedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

What did chimps ever write...

The earliest chronologies date back to the earliest civilizations of Early Dynastic Period Egypt, Mesopotamia & Sumerians [3] which emerged independently of each other from roughly 3500 B.C.[4] Earliest recorded history, which varies greatly in quality and reliability, deals with Pharaohs and their reigns, made by ancient Egyptians.[5] Much of the earliest recorded history was re-discovered relatively recently due to archaeological dig sites findings.[6] A number of different traditions have developed in different parts of the world as to how to interpret these ancient accounts.
Recorded history - Wikipedia

You missed the point. For over two hundred thousand years man could not write. It is a bad argument.

 

[Spiderman]

Yes, more or less right. Was there a point to that?

Okay...then what I said in the OP was correct....a single cell organism eventually mutated into..:

Science and evolution is artistic and has a sense of humor eh?

 

[SomeRandom]

What did chimps ever write...

The earliest chronologies date back to the earliest civilizations of Early Dynastic Period Egypt, Mesopotamia & Sumerians [3] which emerged independently of each other from roughly 3500 B.C.[4] Earliest recorded history, which varies greatly in quality and reliability, deals with Pharaohs and their reigns, made by ancient Egyptians.[5] Much of the earliest recorded history was re-discovered relatively recently due to archaeological dig sites findings.[6] A number of different traditions have developed in different parts of the world as to how to interpret these ancient accounts.
Recorded history - Wikipedia

Well to be fair to chimps, they do not possess the throat muscles that we do. They can still be taught sign language and communicate that way, if I'm not mistaken. What would they need with useless scribbles in the wild anyway?

 

[Polymath257]

we all came from a single cell organism at one time, right? For billions of years, single cell organisms had the planet to themselves right? (t's a yes or no question. please answer.)

Yes. More specifically, Bacteria were around by 3.7 billion years ago. Eucaryotic cells (complex, single celled organisms) were around by about 2 billion years ago. Multicellular organism certainly existed by 750 million years ago, but were pretty simple at that point: worms, mostly

Then they became complex multicellular creatures who were the first animals, and they were a major success....later on they became fish, reptiles, amphibians, insects, rodents, dinosaurs, mammals, birds, primates, and eventually you...?...right?

Well, not all at once. The first animals were not too complicated: planaria and sponges are good examples. Vertebrates (those animals with backbones) came quite a bit later. Insects are a very different line of development. Dinosaurs didn't appear until about 220 million years ago. Very early precursors to primates were around 65 million years ago, but they were small and 'rat-like'. It isn't until 25 million years ago that you get monkeys.

These are long time periods for how most people think. If you are focused on how things work in a thousand years, you will miss the things that happen over a million years. And a million years is a *short* time period for life on Earth.

 

[Audie]

First off, I'm not trying to get anyone to believe in the Bible...so don't bring it up!...Much of the Bible I find ridiculous and goes against my conscience. Most people who believe in supernatural entities, don't believe the Bible is without error. Even over a billion Catholic Christians do not use the Bible as the sole rule of their faith, and many don't follow it for that matter.

Regarding the question in the poll...you can only use so many words in the question...what I'm really asking, is "are you willing to admit that supernatural entities may indeed contact certain people, may indeed give visions, may indeed miraculously heal people?

How do you know all the Catholic Saints, stigmatics, Prophets, visionaries, mystics, or healers were all delusional? How do you know all the Sadhu's, Gurus, Polytheistic Priests, Shamans, medicine men, and necromancers were all just following thoughts in their head...How do you know they weren't connecting to a spririt-world, interacting with spiritual entities (good or bad), and going on vision quests with spirit-guides? How do you know they weren't bringing messages from the spirit-world to their tribe and sometimes channeling healing energy from the spirit-world to the material world, causing miraculous healings?

Many eyewitnesses have testified that they witnessed these unexplainable mystic phenomenon, or been healed by these people, or had someone read their heart, tell them things about themselves they shouldn't know, or give a prophecy that came true.

Statistics show that roughly 93% of people in our enlightened century believe in Spiritual entities...How do you know that much of the world embraces a delusion and often center their whole lives around it...are 93% of the people insane...How do you know that their reason for believing isn't based on evidence that the Creator left them?

Okay, so there are fossils indicating that at one time in history there were homo erectus (and homo whatever)... that had different skulls

How on earth does that mean there was no supernatural creator? So, at one time the creator worked with the mechanisms of Science to create homo-erectus with different skulls than ours. For whatever reason, they went extinct...

Isn't it interesting that Chimps, monkeys, orangutans, baboons, and gorillas survived, but these other homo erectus, who should have been more clever, went extinct...hmmm....maybe they were dumber than a box of rocks?

How does that prove there is no supernatural entity? So we have some fossils...do we see evidence that a single cell organism can come into existence (how?) and then mutate into fish, Dinosaurs, reptiles, birds, rodents, insects, arachnids, mammals, and eventually you??

I'm firmly convinced that such transformation and mutations do not happen with scientific mechanisms as the sole basis for such glorious and beautiful transformation.

Do we see any living creatures in the 21st century that are transitioning and mutating into another species?

Atheists keep telling me....why believe something when there is no evidence....*sign*...it's exhausting repeating myself.

Many people, including Doctors and scientists have made statements that would indicate there is evidence that the creator is indeed giving people signs....There are Scientists who believe in Supernatural entities..(but people who don't want to believe will find every source they can that *"debunks it"*.) How do you know they are mistaken and delusional?

I know I've said this before...but atheists keep asking for evidence, so I'll repeat myself:

Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia
Of course the sun didn't dance in the sky....we all know that...it was a vision that a crowd of thousands of people said they saw, and wrote about it, and media and cameras were there. Many communists, skeptics, atheists, and freemasons showed up to mock the event and were stunned with what they saw...it was a sign for them....nothing happened to the sun...And three illiterate shepherd children made prophecies about serious future calamities like the rise of communism in Russia, the spread of communism throughout the world, and the coming of world war 2, and that the sky would be illuminated by an unknown light, prior to world war 2, it all happened...
(In spite of much study and investigation, scientists were unable to explain the great light that “struck fear into the hearts of millions” (F. Johnston). An unknown light in 1938 demands our attention – even today - Our Lady's Blue Army - World Apostolate of Fatima U.S.A.) that did take place, and they prophesied about the coming of their early death, all of which took place.

A sign was promised to all who showed up at a certain place, on a certain day, and thousands of eye-witnesses claim they saw the sun dance for approx. ten minutes, and then plunge down on the crowd. Many communists and atheists witnessed this and converted...it lead to religious fervor that was largely responsible for the fall of communism in Portugal.. How do you know there was no supernatural entity that gave these people a sign?...Were you there? Well, that is evidence. In fact, it changed the world in many ways, established a feast day that is celebrated by over a billion people, lead to movies, documentaries, many books as well...a massive shrine was erected there, the seers were canonized, and millions of pilgrims go there every years. Something very well may have happened there.

Maybe the creator did leave evidence for those people...you simply don't know.

Whenever there is supernatural phenomenon, there will be skeptics who come up with a clever rebuttal for it. People believe what they want to. There are sources that claim to "rebuttal" almost anything controversial or supernatural.
More miracles:
Infallible Catholic: Miraculous Image of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

The Medical committee at Lourdes is totally independent of the Church. They use skeptics on the committees, the rules are geared to control for remission. They screen our remission. They are required to use only the best medical evidence, to consult the doctors of the patients and they cannot make decisions without obtaining the medical records of those doctors. "They do examine the patients. It does have to be proven that the people were sick beforehand! they will only choose a case when they cannot find a naturalistic explaination."
cientific Evidence for Miracles page 1: examination of the Lourdes rules for miracel acceptence.

So, a single cell organism eventually managed to mutate into this...(sometimes a picture can speak volumes. Evolution is artistic):

Gish city!

Next time include the filaria worm with your wonders of nature.