Athiesm and disproving God

[freethinker44]

I agree, hence why I don't believe in such a god. But I wasn't asking the question to be difficult, I was just curious as to why so many people jump on the idea of god being supernatural when there are so many god concepts out there that don't define it as such.

For me, any god concept other than a supernatural god isn't a god at all. If someone chooses to say a rock is god then I can't argue that the rock doesn't exist, if they want to call it a god then fine, but I don't actively pursue people who believe this because it doesn't really come up that often and they normally aren't the ones who feel everyone should be forced to follow their 2000 year old moral code.

 

[Storm]

For me, any god concept other than a supernatural god isn't a god at all.

We're off-topic, so allow me to plug an old thread: What Makes A God?

 

[MoonWater]

I think you might have it the wrong way around. We only jump on supernatural god concepts. We simply ignore the rest, since a "god" that is not immune to the laws of physics (known and unknown) is by its very definition irrelevant to our understanding of the universe.

fair enough

 

[Ardipithecus]

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

Only a minority of Atheists claim that God is not real. Some claim that because disproves the myth stories of the Bible and Quran. They are not true Atheists. I am a true Atheist. I do not believe that God exists. That is different from claiming that god does not exist. Scriptures do not prove that God did not exist.

All Genesis proves is that the Semitic Bedouins who wrote it were woefully ignorant and superstitious. The story is Genesis simply does not make sense. It is full of contradictions and errors. None of that proves that there is not something we might agree on, as a creator.

All we know is that the Bible is false on the history from 4000 BCE to 145 BCE, the Gospels of Jesus, and Revelations. It is clear rubbish and irrational so it has no credibility for any of its claims.

A really nonsensical Bible does not disprove any god, nor does it prove any god by rational criteria.

I don't believe there are any personal gods with consciousness and thinking processes. I think God is an unconscious set of natural forces and properties of energy and matter.

I can't rule of a humanoid God like Trinity, JHWY, and Allah but I think they are so unlikely that I have 99.999999% doubtful that a humanoid god is real. Humanoid Gods are self-contradictory charicatures of Stone Age War Lords.

It is fine if people want to venerate a god that I consider rubbish. But I would fight to preserve their right to worship that god. I swore to defend and uphold the US Constitution when I received my Army Commission as a 2nd Lieutenant and kept it through my retirement as Col-USA, Ret. Now retired I still fell obligated to fight against any government, Atheistic, Muslim, or Cthulhu.

Yes, I would fight my fellow Atheists/scientists if they tried to ban religion or worship of what I consider imaginary gods. It is your right. I only hope that you will defend my rights to not believe in your god, should a Fundamentalist Theocracy become established in America. History tells us the horrors of living (and being executed in Christian Fundamentalist and Christian theocracies.

Ardi

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For me, any god concept other than a supernatural god isn't a god at all.

I have a problem with this argument, since I reject the idea that things can be truly supernatural. IMO, things that we label "supernatural" are either natural things that work in ways we don't understand or things that don't actually exist. Therefore, IMO, saying that all "true" gods are supernatural and not natural is equivalent to saying that all "true" gods are non-existant.

And while I may not have a problem with arriving at that conclusion, I don't think this path to get to it is a good one.

Of course, I suppose that you might not share my views on "supernaturality", so maybe you have a different take on the issue.

I guess what I'm getting at is this: what do you mean by "supernatural"?

 

[andys]

Ardi,
Your wise words speak for all true atheists. Well said. (-Andy Stout)

"Yes, I would fight my fellow Atheists/scientists if they tried to ban religion or worship of what I consider imaginary gods. It is your right. I only hope that you will defend my rights to not believe in your god, should a Fundamentalist Theocracy become established in America. History tells us the horrors of living (and being executed in Christian Fundamentalist and Christian theocracies".
-Ardi

 

[mr.guy]

Ardi,
Your wise words speak for all true atheists.

Ahh...gotta love it when atheists get into a pissin' match over who doing it right.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I am atheist because what I would consider to be a god cannot possibly exist. What any scriptures say is irrelevant to my beliefs and always has been. But that is really just for me.

If I was in a debate with a theist I would be trying to prove why their god doesn't exist, so I would prove why their scriptures are wrong.

''Prove''? Do you not mean give evidence for, and opinion for?

 

[Robert.Evans]

I think that is because idiots come in all shapes and sizes.



IMO, it is not only scripture. All human claims relating to supernatural entities of every stripe are "man-made". (Who else is there to make such claims?)

My reason for not believing in human claims relating to the existence of supernatural beings is that I have seen nothing that suggests any supernatural beings actually exist.
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Also, I have seen much that suggests human perception of reality is generally unreliable.

Does that include yours?!?

 

[Robert.Evans]

The question is not,
What reasons do atheists have for not believing in god and why?
But,
What reasons do theists have for believing in god and why?

Understand that the burden of proof always rests on the shoulders of the one who makes the assertion that "X" is the case. In the conspicuous absence of proof for a god's existence, my only recourse (as a reasonable person) is to deny the validity of such an assertion.

Atheists are the ones who should be asking the question, why do you or anyone else believe in something that lacks any grain of evidence?

But if you are claiming as an atheist that there is no God, then we can assume that you have some sort of answer as to where all things come from. We have a right to know that. It is not as simple as just saying there is no G-d.

The evidence, as ever, is within... without that you will not see the outer evidence. that is why it is so neat.

Perhaps you can explain why luck is a better answer?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Lack of physical evidence.

He is not physical. See the problem?

I find spirituality/religion/belief in god irrelevant to living my life.

no problem

Also, very important, every time someone mentions god there is associated with that term a whole range of characteristics involving that specific concept in that person's mind. Which usually means that even the person who believes in their personal concept of god are an atheist when it comes to other gods.

So what? They are all different aspects of the One True God. It is certainly a better answer than luck

 

[paarsurrey]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

xkatz said: ↑God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures

Please quote from a textbook of science with reference and quote from Quran with reference to prove your viewpoint. Just one example, please.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

your necromancing a 5 year old thread where people are long gone to respond to you.

 

[outhouse]

He is not physical. See the problem?

Oh so he does not exist, yes we see your problem.

 

[paarsurrey]

your necromancing a 5 year old thread where people are long gone to respond to you.

I get following from his quick profile:

xkatz was last seen:
Today at 1:10 PM

Regards

 

[freethinker44]

''Prove''? Do you not mean give evidence for, and opinion for?

Whatever helps you sleep at night, man.
It's just semantics so it's a nonissue for me.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

Usually atheists take an agnostic atheistic approach especially when defending the position in debate. We can tackle very specific god claims and disprove them. For example in the christian account if we were to take the Bible to be literally true we have sufficient evidence to show that the earth was not made 6k years ago. Man was not living alongside all other living creatures and women did not come from the rib of a man. But if we suspend the literal interpretation then we get an increasingly vague description of a god that if continued eventually boils down to unfalsifiable deism.

If you want a specific reason as to why I do not believe? The short answer is a lack of evidence. Why should I believe the bible or any accounts of god of that nature if there isn't a shred of evidence and it is found to either be contradictory to evidence or contradictory to even its own claims?

 

[McBell]

Please quote from a textbook of science with reference and quote from Quran with reference to prove your viewpoint. Just one example, please.

Regards

You do realize that the part you want him to prove was a question, not a statement, right?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

But if you are claiming as an atheist that there is no God, then we can assume that you have some sort of answer as to where all things come from. We have a right to know that. It is not as simple as just saying there is no G-d.

The evidence, as ever, is within... without that you will not see the outer evidence. that is why it is so neat.

Perhaps you can explain why luck is a better answer?

Jumping in mid-stream, so to speak, so apologies for that.
I don't have an answer for where all things come from. It's in the 'I dunno' bucket, which seems to remain large, no matter how many things I manage to remove from it.
I certainly don't look to 'luck'.

Why is it you believe we need to know where things come from in order to not believe in your God?

 

[dgirl1986]

Personal experience lead me to the conclusion that no gods or goddesses existed which was confirmed by the things I knew that scientific discoveries explained.