Athiesm and disproving God

[xkatz]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

 

[freethinker44]

I am atheist because what I would consider to be a god cannot possibly exist. What any scriptures say is irrelevant to my beliefs and always has been. But that is really just for me.

If I was in a debate with a theist I would be trying to prove why their god doesn't exist, so I would prove why their scriptures are wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god?

Who exactly is doing this?

I've seen plenty of instances where atheists argue against a scripturally-based theist claim by arguing that the scriptures aren't authoritative, but that's not the same thing.

Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

The short version for me:

- I've never seen any compelling evidence or convincing arguments for any gods. (And I've seen evidence AGAINST some god-beliefs and religious ideas)
- I recognize plausible mechanisms for how god-belief and religion could arise in others without requiring an actual deity.
- when I consider specific deity claims, I can hypothesize about what I'd expect to see if the deity in question actually existed. In every case I've encountered, the thing predicted does not seem to exist.
- my mental model of how the universe works (which does not include any gods) seems to agree pretty well with reality.
- when I consider how I would construct a mental model of how the universe works that incorporates some sort of god or gods along with what I know (or think I know) about things, these models typically do not agree as well with reality (or my perception of it, anyhow) as the model that currently resides in my head.

 

[Magic Man]

What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

- I've never seen any compelling evidence or convincing arguments for any gods. (And I've seen evidence AGAINST some god-beliefs and religious ideas)
- I recognize plausible mechanisms for how god-belief and religion could arise in others without requiring an actual deity.
- when I consider specific deity claims, I can hypothesize about what I'd expect to see if the deity in question actually existed. In every case I've encountered, the thing predicted does not seem to exist.
- my mental model of how the universe works (which does not include any gods) seems to agree pretty well with reality.
- when I consider how I would construct a mental model of how the universe works that incorporates some sort of god or gods along with what I know (or think I know) about things, these models typically do not agree as well with reality (or my perception of it, anyhow) as the model that currently resides in my head.

This pretty much says it all for me. Thanks, Diplo.

 

[Alceste]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)?

I think that is because idiots come in all shapes and sizes.

If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

IMO, it is not only scripture. All human claims relating to supernatural entities of every stripe are "man-made". (Who else is there to make such claims?)

My reason for not believing in human claims relating to the existence of supernatural beings is that I have seen nothing that suggests any supernatural beings actually exist. Also, I have seen much that suggests human perception of reality is generally unreliable.

 

[Kerr]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

The question for me is not why I don´t believe in God, but why I should believe in God. Have no reason to believe in the scriptures, they are just books and stories to me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

The explanations or reasoning's for God simply don't mesh well with whats actually going on. Why believe in unsubstantiated and/or untested(able) claims or statements?

Science is not actually man made but rather it is what man observes and tests. Scriptures or religious oriented material generally isn't based on that type of direct observation and testing. Its based more along the lines over emotional and reactive stimulus as to which untestable summaries and conclusions are then made.

 

[andys]

The question is not,
What reasons do atheists have for not believing in god and why?
But,
What reasons do theists have for believing in god and why?

Understand that the burden of proof always rests on the shoulders of the one who makes the assertion that "X" is the case. In the conspicuous absence of proof for a god's existence, my only recourse (as a reasonable person) is to deny the validity of such an assertion.

Atheists are the ones who should be asking the question, why do you or anyone else believe in something that lacks any grain of evidence?

 

[JeLy]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

I would venture to say that most atheists don't claim that god isn't real - we just don't believe in one.

The point of the scriptures being man-made has no relevance towards whether or not a god exists because we have no other claims but the ones that are man-made. Unless you know of any??

I don't believe because there isn't enough compelling evidence TO believe. How the universe came to be, still is, and where it is going is not documented accurately anywhere else but through scientific theory.

 

[imaginaryme]

Atheism is a state of being. Disproving god is an action representing a state of becoming. The Scriptures themselves are the words of the prophets; and a prophet is by necessity nothing more than a man.

The real question is why do some people feel it necessary to create conflict out of nothing; and I would contend that the real answer shows how a theistic belief of a creator god is thus reflected.

 

[gnomon]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

Lack of physical evidence.

I find spirituality/religion/belief in god irrelevant to living my life.

Also, very important, every time someone mentions god there is associated with that term a whole range of characteristics involving that specific concept in that person's mind. Which usually means that even the person who believes in their personal concept of god are an atheist when it comes to other gods.

 

[Nepenthe]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

Religious scriptures have no bearing on my atheism whatsoever. I'm an atheist because the philosophical arguments for a deity or deities is not convincing, and the traditional omi____ attributes of the monotheist God cannot logically exist. And while science doesn't (and likely cannot) disprove a god or gods, there is no reason to interject any supernatural Creator; the universe appears to operate exactly as a non-cognitive mechanistic universe would operate.

 

[tomasortega]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

there is no point in believing in creationism because it wont affect you either way. the fact that god(s) is nowhere to be found makes it more reasonable not to even bother believing......a theistic god on the other hand is a different ball game. all you have to do is read the so called "divinely inspired" holy books to conclude there aint nothing divine about them, and are a creation of man.

 

[Tiapan]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

The first part is circular, if god does not exist then it is unlikely he wrote anything of literary value. Secondarily the fact the Universe rotates means it has angular momentum.

A basic law of physics says angular momentum is always conserved. So I would IMHO suggest that this is evidence that the big bang was spinning. That's a lot of inertia, where did it come from?

Could I further suggest it was from a previous collapsing rotating universe obeying the natural laws of physics as it condensed into a singularity prior to exploding as our current Big Bang 13.5 BYA. Further indicating this may well be a cyclic universe sequentially expanding and contracting forever and ever . Therefore if true would seem that the universe has always existed and will always exist, therefore it has no beginning or end it simply is. Inference > No God Required.

Cheers

 

[Caladan]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)?

I think that many theists claim that their respective scriptures are science-compatible. and many atheists enjoy tearing this apart as a pass time.

If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying?

Sorry, I do not get what you are saying.

What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

For me it is reversed. what reasons do I have for believing in god, and why should I?

 

[Smoke]

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying?

The fallibility of scriptures just shows that scriptures are fallible; it doesn't show that gods don't exist. I didn't believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, or any part of it, when I was a Christian, and that had no bearing at all on my belief in the Christian god.

What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

I don't believe in any god because I don't have any reason to believe in any god. Once I realized that I had no good reason to believe what the Church teaches about the Christian God -- the Trinity, the two Natures of Christ, etc. -- I very quickly realized I had no reason to believe what anybody says about any god. So, I started what I could believe about god, and I realized I didn't really have any reason to suppose that any god existed at all. I was surprised.

 

[MSizer]

Atheism is a state of being. Disproving god is an action representing a state of becoming. The Scriptures themselves are the words of the prophets; and a prophet is by necessity nothing more than a man.

The real question is why do some people feel it necessary to create conflict out of nothing; and I would contend that the real answer shows how a theistic belief of a creator god is thus reflected.

...indeed, and might I also add that rabbits couldn't have painted moving statues unless it wasn't raining inunderground France tomorrow. Atheism, to be or not to be, is but a question to the preivous mind's unaltered answer.

I'll make sense ouf of mine if you can tell me what the heck yours meant.

 

[MoonWater]

I think that is because idiots come in all shapes and sizes.



IMO, it is not only scripture. All human claims relating to supernatural entities of every stripe are "man-made". (Who else is there to make such claims?)

My reason for not believing in human claims relating to the existence of supernatural beings is that I have seen nothing that suggests any supernatural beings actually exist. Also, I have seen much that suggests human perception of reality is generally unreliable.

Why must "god" be supernatural?

 

[Humanistheart]

To all atheist who wish to answers this:

How come so many atheist claim God isn't real because science contradicts with holy scriptures (ie The Bible, Koran, etc)? If you claim these scriptures are man-made, doesn't that make the argument of God existing invalid because what is in the scriptures is written by people and cannot be consider evidence of god? Do you get what I am saying? What other reasons do you atheist don't believe in god and why?

(No trolling please )

Yes the bible and other works are the products of men, but many who believe in them think they're somehow god's word, so pointing out the thousands of contradictions and errors is helpful in dealing with those who claim such things. The contradictions found in these holy documents only disprove the specific god or god concept, but that's all that's really necessary in most instances.

As for why I do not believe in a god, I was raised to believe in the christian trinity, however it never felt right. The sheer number of unethical and hypocritical occurrences found in the christian bible was staggering even to a child, and despite my best efforts I could not get past them. I tried to believe but it didn't work. (One reason I dislike the claim that people 'choose to believe in a religion). When I was old enough I set out to find a better version of Christianity, but they all had their problems. After that I tried to find a religion worth believing in, one that didn't center around a hypocritical psychotic deity. Buddhism was, and probably still is, my favorite. Reincarnation is the ultimate balance of justice and mercy. But I didn't believe in it, even though it was in my opinion worth believing in. So I had to conclude I was just not capable of 'faith'. I need evidence.

 

[challupa]

Yes the bible and other works are the products of men, but many who believe in them think they're somehow god's word, so pointing out the thousands of contradictions and errors is helpful in dealing with those who claim such things. The contradictions found in these holy documents only disprove the specific god or god concept, but that's all that's really necessary in most instances.

As for why I do not believe in a god, I was raised to believe in the christian trinity, however it never felt right. The sheer number of unethical and hypocritical occurrences found in the christian bible was staggering even to a child. When I was old enough I set out to find a better version of Christianity, but they all had their problems. After that I tried to find a religion worth believing in, one that didn't center around a hypocritical psychotic deity. Buddhism was, and probably still is, my favorite. Reincarnation is the ultimate balance of justice and mercy. But I didn't believe in it, even though it was in my opinion worth believing in. So I had to conclude I was just not capable of 'faith'. I need evidence.

Yes, that has been my experience too. I was raised to believe in god and couldn't. I need evidence too. Many times I have wished I could believe in something but it always came back to the same dilemma, there was no evidence that supported it. I am not an athiest but an agnostic because I clearly can't say I know for sure. The bible and Koran are just books in my mind and not very inspirational ones for me either. I find more inspiration in the Buddhist or Hindu writings. They make more practical sense to me.