Athiests and Agnostics, your decisive moment

[Alceste]

I am enjoying it too. Well there are two reasons I am leaving

First, this forums is taking a lot of time from me and I have so much to do in the university this much.

Second, the reason I came here is to remove the misconceptions about Islam. I think I am not able to do that at the moment. I think I am doing it for the wrong reasons or it is that there is something lacking in me.

Islam message is very clear and I think I am not being able to deliver that at the moment.

I have to know about it more.

But note that this doesn't mean I am sure about it. I am more sure about Islam than I am sure that I exist.

But I think I am scratching the surface.

I really enjoyed my time here. But the reason I was here at first is that I can offer what I have. I think I am failing at the moment in sense that I am not reflecting what is there.

I will be back though.

Wish me luck on my projects and final exams.

I hope you all consider what I said. Even it made little sense.

I will reflect on your posts (the ones that make a little sense ) if you will do me the same courtesy. Good luck on your exams, and I hope to see you back when it's all over.

 

[Sabour]

I will reflect on your posts (the ones that make a little sense ) if you will do me the same courtesy. Good luck on your exams, and I hope to see you back when it's all over.

I think we should pick up from here next time we have a conversaion

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't recall a single decisive moment when I realized I didn't believe in God, but I do remember the moment when I was 13 or 14 when I encountered devout believers for the first time. I was genuinely surprised that they took their religion so seriously.

 

[Drolefille]

There was no moment of decision for me, as having a decisive agnostic moment seems a bit odd anyway. I lost faith despite clinging to it with desperate fingers.

 

[Alceste]

There was no moment of decision for me, as having a decisive agnostic moment seems a bit odd anyway. I lost faith despite clinging to it with desperate fingers.

And how did it feel to finally let it go?

I'm always curious to hear these stories!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There was no moment of decision for me, as having a decisive agnostic moment seems a bit odd anyway. I lost faith despite clinging to it with desperate fingers.

That's like how I felt losing faith in Catholicism.

 

[Falvlun]

I lost faith despite clinging to it with desperate fingers.

Me too!

I remember finally admitting to myself "I just don't believe this anymore" after a year of struggling with it. It was such a relief, such an epiphany. I could finally move on.

 

[Vinayaka]

The 'uh-oh' moments go both ways. In 'Field of Dreams' where the brother-in-law finally sees the baseball players ...

Course for many its more gradual.

 

[Drolefille]

And how did it feel to finally let it go?

I'm always curious to hear these stories!

I don't know for sure, other than I remember mostly not really believing anymore but going to Christmas Eve Mass and praying rather passionately for faith. I wanted to believe so badly, and asked just for anything, that feeling of "rightness" or "calmness" or anything. Kind of the "send me a sign" thing, I suppose.

Overall it was an immense sense of loss. Despair is too strong but something like it. I wouldn't call it relief either though I think naturally there was some, but more the relief of giving up than the relief of coming to peace with it.

I still desire faith in something.

 

[Alceste]

I don't know for sure, other than I remember mostly not really believing anymore but going to Christmas Eve Mass and praying rather passionately for faith. I wanted to believe so badly, and asked just for anything, that feeling of "rightness" or "calmness" or anything. Kind of the "send me a sign" thing, I suppose.

Overall it was an immense sense of loss. Despair is too strong but something like it. I wouldn't call it relief either though I think naturally there was some, but more the relief of giving up than the relief of coming to peace with it.

I still desire faith in something.

Have you ever read Stuart Kaufmann? He's got some interesting ideas about finding spiritual meaning as an empirical naturalist.

Stuart Kauffman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Magic Man]

And how did it feel to finally let it go?

I'm always curious to hear these stories!

I can't say I remember an exact moment or feeling, but I know it was a relief to finally know what I believed and not be conflicted anymore.

 

[edwinic]

Hello Guys.

I had a question in mind for atheists and agnostics.

It is said that if a child left to grow alone with his set of beliefs, he would grow up to believe in the existence of God.

In addition, most of your parents weren't atheists nor agnostics.

in the future, pls dont assume too much. I say its better to put these in a manner of question.

So my question is, what are the things that made you become atheist/agnostic.

in a manner of speaking, i grew up. Much like when you found out that Santa was not real and it was my Mom who put goodies in my xmas stockings.

The very first moment that you have decided on this subject, what was before that?

i dont understand your question

 

[Sabour]

in a manner of speaking, i grew up. Much like when you found out that Santa was not real and it was my Mom who put goodies in my xmas stockings.

i dont understand your question

Well my basic question was this, did you hold, at any point, that you believe that God exists. If yes, what was the major thing that happened that lead you to think otherwise.

 

[edwinic]

Well my basic question was this, did you hold, at any point, that you believe that God exists. If yes, what was the major thing that happened that lead you to think otherwise.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes I hold on, I hope I was wrong, I am afraid of Hell. The question of Aabout god is important, too much stake. And i cannot search the whole universe to prove it does not exist. No way.

But the god i was made to believe, the omni-one, carries a lot of internal contradictions, and so i said to myself: its impossible that such being exist. So there.

 

[Sabour]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes I hold on, I hope I was wrong, I am afraid of Hell. The question of Aabout god is important, too much stake. And i cannot search the whole universe to prove it does not exist. No way.

But the god i was made to believe, the omni-one, carries a lot of internal contradictions, and so i said to myself: its impossible that such being exist. So there.

You don't have to search the whole universe you must approach your search in a clear manner.

What did you mean by made to believe? and what are the contradictions ?

 

[edwinic]

You don't have to search the whole universe you must approach your search in a clear manner.

i have no idea what is"search in a clear manner"

What did you mean by made to believe?

the one god taught by my society, the country of my birth.

and what are the contradictions ?

its too many to list and i dont want to bore you.

 

[Sabour]

i have no idea what is"search in a clear manner"

I mean I believe there is no religion that is entirely wrong.

So think in a logical way and see what things you are certain about in your religion.

For what contradicts it, try searching for answers and asking questions. If you are not convinced, than see what are the things you are sure about them and begin your searching with what confirm those ideas you already have.

What I have seen many times is that people begin jumping from one religion to another and trying things out.

I don't advise that.

the one god taught by my society, the country of my birth.

Well okay.

its too many to list and i dont want to bore you.

I only get bored in one case and I don't see that happening with you. If you want to discuss anything, I am willing to listen.

 

[edwinic]

Incompatible-Properties Arguments: A Survey

The link is about the lists of contradictions that i am talking about.

 

[Nymphs]

It is said that if a child left to grow alone with his set of beliefs, he would grow up to believe in the existence of God.

Says who?

 

[LuisDantas]

I mean I believe there is no religion that is entirely wrong.

I think we would do well to first establish in which meaningful senses a religion can be right or wrong.

There will probably be no consensus, but it will nevertheless make the perspectives clear.