Attention, Trump Supporters

[Revoltingest]

But i am not applying.

You don't need to apply.
You don't need to do anything.
Your not voting puts me in the driver's seat.
(You can trust me. I'm a landlord.)

 

[Shushersbedamned]

You don't need to apply.
You don't need to do anything.
Your not voting puts me in the driver's seat.
(You can trust me. I'm a landlord.)

But i'm not american.

 

[Revoltingest]

But i'm not american.

And let's keep it that way.


Oh, come on.....you set me up to say that.
How could I not!

 

[Shushersbedamned]

And let's keep it that way.


Oh, come on.....you set me up to say that.
How could I not!

Sorry. Your joke is in the jungle of lost jokes now.

 

[Stevicus]

And let's keep it that way.

Amen to that!

 

[metis]

Amen to that!

Are we in church?

I'm so confused.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are we in church?

I'm so confused.

You gotta take some of us off of <ignore> to grok what's going on.
If you dare.
Booowahahahahahhahahhah, etc!

 

[Riders]

Because the wrong people continue to oppose him. It's a case of "the enemy of my enemy." Now, maybe if some of the leading Trump-bashers laid off a while, people might get a more balanced approach. But when you have so many people coming out of the woodwork, falling all over themselves and desperately trying to convince people, "Don't you seeee??!? Trump is EEE-VIL! Can't you see it???! Why don't you see it? What's WRONG with you, you misguided, ignorant hillbilly!??!"

When there's too much of that kind of thing going on, it might explain why. People might wonder and be skeptical of the motives of those who spread it on that thick.

If his son and daughter gets thrown into prison and I think they will and or if Mueller gives a report recommending impeachment none of this will matter. Even if hes not thrown out of office, to me all of that would erase him from my existance. If your in that much trouble your not the president of the United states period regardless of weather hes in office or not. I suspect he wont make another term anyways.

So to be dead honest I'm not one of the ones trying to convince you Trump brainwashed people.I dont need your support, I'm fairly sure the sh(t will hit the fan soon enough.

 

[ecco]

I read through the statements cited in the first link, and it looks more like a judgment call. Perhaps a few misstatements which could be seen as simple mistakes - nothing to get one's panties in a bunch over.

I've seen the article which was referred to, and again, it's all low-grade stuff. Like the supposed "lie" about how many people attended the presidential nomination. Who cares?

Who cares? You should. Perhaps you need to think about WHY someone lies.

Many of Trump's lies are to inflate his ego. Like the one you cited regarding the number of people at his inauguration. Doesn't it bother you that the President of the United States of America is so petty and egomaniacal that he needs to lie about it?

Trump has repeatedly lied about Mueller and the investigation and the FBI. Why? So that when the results from the investigation come out people like you will be convinced the results are erroneous. It's called propaganda.

Trump has repeatedly lied about the press and has repeatedly made the "Fake News" allegation. Why? So that when they publish articles derogatory to DT people like you will be convinced the the stories are false. It's called propaganda.

Denigrating the press is a tactic that is used by all would be dictators. The next step used by many would be dictators is the elimination of the free press. I doubt he can go that far. But his current buddies/idols Kim and Putin have done it. It is currently happening in Turkey.

But I just don't see it. How do you look at the world anyway? Do you just have your head glued to the mainstream media to tell you what is going in the world?

Is see the world as it is and what has occurred in the recent and not too distant past. I don't need the "mainstream media" to tell me what happened in NK or Russia or Germany in the 1930's. I am also aware that our Founding Fathers knew the importance of a free press.

If you can't eliminate a Free Press, the next best thing is to denigrate it and hope your followers jump on board.

Obviously you have jumped on board.

 

[ecco]

Well, I don't know about any "top 5" or "top 10" lists

A lot of the purple (not free) countries may be considered US allies or major trading partners (such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, China).

Mapped: The world's most (and least) free countries
China is 19, Saudi Arabia is 7, NK is 4. Saudi Arabia and China are becoming less repressive. Turkey more so.

One major difference is that NK is an absolute dictatorship with one man having absolute unquestioned god-like power.

 

[ecco]

I've heard every argument and read all the blogs and other BS which are calculated and spun in such a way as to convince the public that Trump is a "very bad man."

I haven't ignored anything. I just don't agree with the spin or the commentary.

Bottom line as demonstrated by your posts...

• Everything good you hear/read about Trump is truth.
• Everything bad you hear/read about Trump is "spin", even when it is demonstrably true.

You remind me of the Creos who say "God said it, I believe it".

 

[ecco]

I think it's pretty clear that I already know more about this topic than you, which is why I'm making original arguments while you can only counter with parroted soundbites.

What original arguments have you made other than stating "I already know more about this topic than you"? Oh, wait, that's neither original nor an argument.

I am beginning to understand your fascination with Trump. You two seem to have similar mindsets:
I'm Right - You're Wrong and facts are False News.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑
Which is your Country?

Which is yours?

Answering a question with a question is rather silly. If there is a reason you don't want to answer, just say so.

However, USA.

Now, which is your Country?

 

[Stevicus]

Bottom line as demonstrated by your posts...

• Everything good you hear/read about Trump is truth.
• Everything bad you hear/read about Trump is "spin", even when it is demonstrably true.

You remind me of the Creos who say "God said it, I believe it".

Why don't you try addressing what I actually say before making faulty assumptions about me? If you want to discuss issues, that's fine, but I've noticed that your M.O. is to always make it about the person you're attacking. You do this with others, I've noticed.

Basically, your entire shtick is to say, in so many words, "Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid." What is there for me to address here?

ecco said: ↑
Which is your Country?




Answering a question with a question is rather silly. If there is a reason you don't want to answer, just say so.

However, USA.

Now, which is your Country?

Now, you seem confused as to who you're actually talking to. You asked Estro Felino what country he was from, and he told you that he was from Italy. Since I already knew that, I saw no need to answer it.

However, I was curious as to what country you're from. There are quite a few people from foreign lands chiming in to these threads and attempting to pass themselves off as experts on American politics, so it's important to know whether they're really from America or if they have some other agenda.

As to where I'm from, the flag in my avatar should give you a clue that I'm from Arizona. Arizona is a state in the United States.

 

[ecco]

Bottom line as demonstrated by your posts...

• Everything good you hear/read about Trump is truth.
• Everything bad you hear/read about Trump is "spin", even when it is demonstrably true.

You remind me of the Creos who say "God said it, I believe it".

Why don't you try addressing what I actually say before making faulty assumptions about me? If you want to discuss issues...

I have been discussing issues. I have read and addressed what you have said. I've come to the conclusion, stated above, based on your own comments to me. It's neither an assumption nor an attack, it's an evaluation followed by a considered opinion.

Perhaps you can show me wrong. Perhaps you can show one of your comments to me where you disagree with something Trump has said or done. Perhaps you can show one of your comments to me where you agree with criticisms made against Trump.

Basically, your entire shtick is to say, in so many words, "Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid."

I've never asserted that a Trump supporter or a creo is stupid. I personally know Trump supporters and creos who are quite intelligent.

What is there for me to address here?

Perhaps, at this point, there is nothing left to be discussed on this issue. Your responses have been: approve and defend Trump's deeds and words; reject any and all criticism of him. I see no reason that that would change.

However, if you want to raise some issues, then by all means do so.

 

[Stevicus]

I have been discussing issues. I have read and addressed what you have said. I've come to the conclusion, stated above, based on your own comments to me. It's neither an assumption nor an attack, it's an evaluation followed by a considered opinion.

Well, then, you haven't been reading very closely or paying attention.

Perhaps you can show me wrong. Perhaps you can show one of your comments to me where you disagree with something Trump has said or done. Perhaps you can show one of your comments to me where you agree with criticisms made against Trump.

Perhaps another time.

I've never asserted that a Trump supporter or a creo is stupid. I personally know Trump supporters and creos who are quite intelligent.

Yet, you constantly seem to try to shift the discussion to make it about your opponent.

Perhaps, at this point, there is nothing left to be discussed on this issue. Your responses have been: approve and defend Trump's deeds and words; reject any and all criticism of him. I see no reason that that would change.

However, if you want to raise some issues, then by all means do so.

If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that I'm not as much of a Trump supporter as you seem to believe. I just don't think he's the Antichrist or some devil with horns as many people seem to be suggesting. Most of the criticisms I see are exaggerated and overblown.

My actual political positions are more far-left than anything else. Yet I see the same "swamp" that Trump has talked about, although I see it from a different angle. "The Swamp" is the real enemy of America here, in my view - not the Russians, not NK.

For many decades now, they've taken from the working classes and given to the wealthy. They've presided over an economy where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class stagnates barely above water. That has very little to do with Trump, but those who are trying to make it all about Trump are missing the forest through the trees. The major criticism against the Democrats this past election was that they were out of touch, and what's worse is that they still haven't learned any lessons from it. They're still out of touch.

 

[e.r.m.]

Forget about any reason you may have had for not wanting Hillary Clinton in office. That's in the past. Trump won the election and now serves as our President. My question to you is,

Why do you continue to support Trump?​

Clinton was so often an excuse for supporting Trump, even when it didn't make sense. When he let that black lives matter protester get beat up and called racial slurs, and he showed no concern whatsoever, Trump supporters pointed to Clinton's faults. But at that time it was not a contest between him and Clinton, they were still in the primaries, which means we could have chosen a whole lot of other better Republicans for the job. People did not want to address his horrible behavior at that event or when he approved of those crimes saying, "maybe he should have been roughed up."
​

After that event, there's nothing that he could do either as a candidate or as president that would ever make me want to vote for him, short of an apology to that man.

 

[e.r.m.]

Well, then, you haven't been reading very closely or paying attention.



Perhaps another time.



Yet, you constantly seem to try to shift the discussion to make it about your opponent.



If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that I'm not as much of a Trump supporter as you seem to believe. I just don't think he's the Antichrist or some devil with horns as many people seem to be suggesting. Most of the criticisms I see are exaggerated and overblown.

My actual political positions are more far-left than anything else. Yet I see the same "swamp" that Trump has talked about, although I see it from a different angle. "The Swamp" is the real enemy of America here, in my view - not the Russians, not NK.

For many decades now, they've taken from the working classes and given to the wealthy. They've presided over an economy where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class stagnates barely above water. That has very little to do with Trump, but those who are trying to make it all about Trump are missing the forest through the trees. The major criticism against the Democrats this past election was that they were out of touch, and what's worse is that they still haven't learned any lessons from it. They're still out of touch.

Good point.

 

[ecco]

ecco previously:
Perhaps you can show me wrong. Perhaps you can show one of your comments to me where you disagree with something Trump has said or done. Perhaps you can show one of your comments to me where you agree with criticisms made against Trump.​

Well, then, you haven't been reading very closely or paying attention.
Perhaps another time.

So, no you can't.

ecco previously:
I've never asserted that a Trump supporter or a creo is stupid. I personally know Trump supporters and creos who are quite intelligent.​

Yet, you constantly seem to try to shift the discussion to make it about your opponent.

Addressing your comments and responding to them isn't shifting anything.

If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that I'm not as much of a Trump supporter as you seem to believe. ... Most of the criticisms I see are exaggerated and overblown.

Your posts clearly show that you are a Trump supporter. You disregard all criticism of him. You play down factual criticisms as exaggerated and overblown.

 

[ecco]

My actual political positions are more far-left than anything else.

For many decades now, they've taken from the working classes and given to the wealthy. They've presided over an economy where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class stagnates barely above water. That has very little to do with Trump, but those who are trying to make it all about Trump are missing the forest through the trees.

What has Trump done to help the "working classes"?

He initiated a massive tax cut that...

Went mostly to Corporations and the top 5%
Reduced money that could have/ should have been used for infrastructure​

He has not brought back coal mining jobs. He can't because strip mining is cheaper and coal is still on the way out.
He has not brought back the steel mills but is imposing tariffs that will raise the cost of steel and steel products for, among others, the "working classes".
He partially gutted ACA which benefited many of the "working classes".

I could go on and on and on.​

The major criticism against the Democrats this past election was that they were out of touch, and what's worse is that they still haven't learned any lessons from it. They're still out of touch.

The major criticism against the Democrats this past election was that they couldn't compete against Trump's one liners. Yes. That was their fault.