Attention, Trump Supporters

[Revoltingest]

Of course it can be changed. Just because you've supported Trump in the past doesn't mean you have to be a Trump supporter forever.

Finally!
Your tune changes a little for the better.

Your vote only means that you were a Trump supporter on November 8, 2016 (or some earlier date if you voted in an advanced poll). Whether you continued to be a Trump supporter after that depends on your attitudes and actions since then.

Oh, you Hillary supporters....such tortured rationalizing for your labels.
We've discussed this, & you never have understood my perspective.
Instead, you impose your own.

 

[Stevicus]

Oh no. I share their arguments largely. They will soon stop discussing with you when they realize that you are not trying to be right. And that is for the best. Life is too shiort to be shared with a parrot.

Oh, I doubt that they'll stop talking with me. There is a sense of desperation in the anti-Trump crowd, as they're all coming out of the woodwork so zealously determined to convince everyone that "Trump is EEE-VIL!" It's being spread on so thick that it's obvious that something crooked is going on.

I wouldn't be surprised if we had paid shills working this board and operating all over the internet. If the Russians can do it, why can't anyone else?

So, if they're paid to do it, then sure, they'll keep talking to me.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Finally!
Your tune changes a little for the better.

That's always been my position. If you think it changed, you weren't paying attention.

Oh, you Hillary supporters....such tortured rationalizing for your labels.
We've discussed this, & you never have understood my perspective.
Instead, you impose your own.

I understand your position; I just reject it: you argue that a vote - i.e. direct support to help a candidate win - doesn't count as support. You argue that material support - even the most fundamental type of support, voting - isn't "support" if you do it while holding your nose. This is ridiculous.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's always been my position. If you think it changed, you weren't paying attention.

Right, that must be it.
Heaven forbid a poster might back off from a failed claim.

I understand your position; I just reject it: you argue that a vote - i.e. direct support to help a candidate win - doesn't count as support. You argue that material support - even the most fundamental type of support, voting - isn't "support" if you do it while holding your nose. This is ridiculous.

By this reasoning, your support for Hillary is support for her record of
corruption, incompetence & war. In light of how poorly these approaches
have turned out, it's "ridiculous" to support such things.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Right, that must be it.
Heaven forbid a poster might back off from a failed claim.

By this reasoning, your support for Hillary is support for her record of
corruption, incompetence & war. In light of how poorly these approaches
have turned out, it's "ridiculous" to support such things.

Do you think that financial support isn't "support" either?

Do you think someone could get a candidate elected without ever supporting them?

I get that being called out as a Trump supporter (either current or former - you tell me) rankles you, but instead of lashing out at the messenger, maybe take this as an opportunity to reflect. If having a mirror held up to your past actions causes you discomfort, then think about how you can change your approach so your future actions don't cause the same effect.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you think that financial support isn't "support" either?

Do you think someone could get a candidate elected without ever supporting them?

I get that being called out as a Trump supporter (either current or former - you tell me) rankles you, but instead of lashing out at the messenger, maybe take this as an opportunity to reflect. If having a mirror held up to your past actions causes you discomfort, then think about how you can change your approach so your future actions don't cause the same effect.

Dang, you're like a dog with a bone.
Typical Hillary supporter.
Just how is it that endless draining wars serve our needs?
And the corruption...& incompetence....all of which you support.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Dang, you're like a dog with a bone.
Typical Hillary supporter.
Just how is it that endless draining wars serve our needs?
And the corruption...& incompetence....all of which you support.

Trump is like a dog with a boner.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump is like a dog with a boner.

The term is "horn dog".

 

[sealchan]

Politicians lie all the time. It goes with the territory. It just depends on the nature and the significance of the lie. Sometimes it's not always making a false statement or one not supported by the facts. Sometimes, it's a matter of presentation and how someone tells something. Sometimes it's a matter of presenting a false image to the public or propagating myths (such as the "American Dream").

Any politician that does not say that Wall Street is evil, that the bankers are evil, and does not rile up the public against them and other institutions which have been screwing the American people for so long is the worst kind of liar to ever pervade politics. Trump didn't say that, neither did Obama, and neither did Hillary. That makes them all the same.

If Obama was so great, then why didn't he lock up the insurance executives, the corporate CEO's, the bankers, the real estate moguls, and all of the rest of those scumbags? If he really cared about America, he would have. Why didn't he do that? Trump isn't doing that either, although at least he's giving something back to the American people by opposing free trade (something else Obama and Clinton refused to do). It's still the lesser of two evils, but there's no greater evil than a sell-out.

All you can focus on is minutia, while I'm looking at the bigger picture.

I suspect that Politifact provides reasonably objective numbers on the scale and depth of lies that Trump tells and it is in a class far beyond most politicians...then there is his business dealings, corrupt charitable foundation, sexual assaults, infidelities, racism, lack of empathy (example: separating illegal immigrant children from parents)...

It's one thing to have human faults like every other person, but politicians are supposedly accountable. Trump may be like other politicians but to emulate the worst in all of them and with such vigor...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Dang, you're like a dog with a bone.
Typical Hillary supporter.
Just how is it that endless draining wars serve our needs?
And the corruption...& incompetence....all of which you support.

What support do you think I've given to Hillary Clinton?

I've never voted for her (couldn't, anyway). I've also never donated to her or volunteered for her campaign. I haven't bought so much as a Hillary bumper sticker or T-shirt. I've never had one of her lawn signs (which would be weird in Canada anyway).

So what "support" do you keep on referring to? ... or are you just being childish ("I know you are, but what am I?")?

 

[Revoltingest]

What support do you think I've given to Hillary Clinton?

I've never voted for her (couldn't, anyway). I've also never donated to her or volunteered for her campaign. I haven't bought so much as a Hillary bumper sticker or T-shirt. I've never had one of her lawn signs (which would be weird in Canada anyway).

So what "support" do you keep on referring to? ... or are you just being childish ("I know you are, but what am I?")?

You advocate for her.
This is support.
Granted, you've never given her money. (But I never gave Trump any.)
You've never sported an "It's Time For A Woman" bumper sticker. (But I never had a MAGA bumper sticker or hat.)
You've never installed her yard sign. (But I never had a Trump sign.)
So while you didn't cast a vote for her, you gush with preference for her, & opposition to Trump.
You've done more to influence our election than even I have.
I hereby declare you an honorary Americastanian!

 

[Shushersbedamned]

You advocate for her.
This is support.
Granted, you've never given her money. (But I never gave Trump any.)
You've never sported an "It's Time For A Woman" bumper sticker. (But I never had a MAGA bumper sticker or hat.)
You've never installed her yard sign. (But I never had a Trump sign.)
So while you didn't cast a vote for her, you gush with preference for her, & opposition to Trump.
You've done more to influence our election than even I have.
I hereby declare you an honorary Americastanian!

Phew. What a load of irrelevant humbug. You must be tired by now. Rest a while. Trump has years to make the world a worse place.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You advocate for her.
This is support.

Excuse me? When have I ever advocated for Hillary Clinton?

Granted, you've never given her money. (But I never gave Trump any.)
You've never sported an "It's Time For A Woman" bumper sticker. (But I never had a MAGA bumper sticker or hat.)
You've never installed her yard sign. (But I never had a Trump sign.)

I listed off a few possible types of support. You supported Trump by voting for him. Whether you didn't support him in other ways doesn't change this fact.

So while you didn't cast a vote for her, you gush with preference for her, & opposition to Trump.
You've done more to influence our election than even I have.
I hereby declare you an honorary Americastanian!

Opposition to Trump <> support for Clinton.

 

[Revoltingest]

Phew. What a load of irrelevant humbug.

It's what I do.

You must be tired by now. Rest a while.

Nah...that was easy.
I didn't even search for any links.

Trump has years to make the world a worse place.

You're entirely missing the point.
(Perhaps Hillary fans are missing that lobe which evaluates alternatives.)
Only one of the Big Two's offerings would win the election.
Most of us (it seems) liked neither, but picked the least worst.
Is this support?

Ever see the movie, Touching The Void?
The climber faced a choice.....
1) Cut the rope, & likely kill your partner.
2) Don't cut the rope, & guarantee the death of both.
The climber chose #1.
Is he a supporter of killing fellow climbers?
No.
He picked the lesser of 2 evils.
I hope you see how irrational it is to call every single
person who cast a reluctant vote; "Trump supporter".

 

[Revoltingest]

Opposition to Trump <> support for Clinton.

You've supported voting against him, & therefore in favor of her.
This is a kind of support for her.
You are a Hillary supporter...as hoist by your own petard.

I know her loss was tough to bear.
I know that Trump is a boor, & that you loathe him.
But he won.
Get over it.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Most of us (it seems) liked neither, but picked the least worst.
Is this support?

Yes.

I see what you mean - i simply disagree. I would never vote like that.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

You've supported voting against him, & therefore in favor of her.
This is a kind of support for her.
You are a Hillary supporter...as hoist by your own petard.

Blah. Beee-sssss.... what else is on??

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes.
I see what you mean - i simply disagree. I would never vote like that.

And I approve of your following your calling
(which is to support letting others decide for you).
But I don't abdicate.

Btw, what would you do in the climbing scenario
presented in post #174?

 

[Revoltingest]

Blah. Beee-sssss.... what else is on??

You know.....by not voting, you're supporting my voting for you.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

You know.....by not voting, you're supporting my voting for you.

But i am not applying.