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Attention, Trump Supporters
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e.r.m.
Church of Christ
How the Republican primary voters could pick someone who approved of racial crimes unfolding before him, as the Republican nominee, above the other choices, I will never understand.
I didn't say that I "dislike" those who oppose him. My main point is that I don't trust them. They're the same people and political factions who have been ruling over America these past decades, and they've screwed the people and driven the country into the ground. Why should I trust them now? Why should anyone trust the FBI or the media? Give me some good reasons, and then we'll see which one of us "shows a distinct lack of character."
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Do you think Trump is an improvement, though?
Improvement? No. A monkey wrench thrown into the works? Yes.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
And is that a good thing?
I think that this has been coming for a long time. No, I don't think it's a good thing. It was just inevitable.
What I've noticed over the course of the campaign, the election, and the endless debate which has followed - there's a certain formula and set of strategies that the political parties have used to achieve success. But that formula didn't really work this time. The contentiousness of overall debate and the sniping rhetoric in the media are also interesting spectacles to observe.
I don't think it's really about Trump, though. He won't be in office forever. I think what people may want to consider is what the aftermath may be like in the post-Trump era. I'm looking forward to seeing how the midterm elections turn out. It should be a humdinger in my state.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
Because we can understand the medias motives. It is transparent. Even Fox News, who I detest, is easily understood. The FBI is much the same way. They may not always do the right thing, but their goals are easily understood and deciphered. The difference with Trump is that his goals, while sometimes easily understood (other times he is beyond all reason), allow behavior that is unpredictable and hard to track or understand. It is leading us down rabbit holes that nobody knows what the bottom looks like.
As for the ruling class in this country, Trump may not be a part of it, but he is not an improvement. It's like overthrowing the captain on a ship because he doesn't allow us into port, only to replace him with a pirate. Sure, he may allow what we want, may even encourage it. But the end result is often chaos. That is the problem with populism. To make matters worse, Trump, like a pirate, is only a populist on the surface. Underneath that layer of populism is unmatched greed. So many of his actions are clearly motivated by making him, and those around him, wealthier.
#piratecaptaintrump
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e.r.m.
Church of Christ
What about those who do not support him who were never part of that establishment? The average Joe who just would rather see someone else in that office? Do you mistrust them as well?
Why should anyone trust the FBI? Because they've been there a lot longer than the current sitting president and the FBI is not all about the Presidency. The FBI is mostly about other matters. Now Comey messed up in some big ways, but it's not right to write off the whole agency and their history.
Likewise the media does a lot of good as well as bad, and it is not one entity. It has many moving parts. They often inform people of where I work, which is a much-needed resource for our community. they highlight heroes in the community, and they've given the public many chances for the community to respond to those in need that they otherwise would not have known. And many media Outlets speak the truth. It upsets me whenever I hear the media painted as one block that says nothing but lies all the time. It is bias to an ignorant degree. Attack, if you will, the components of the media that are doing wrong. But don't put everybody into one category. It's a gross overgeneralization.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Exactly, and we also need to remember that the Republicans have long praised the FBI and CIA as if they owned it, but now with the Groper-In-Chief in office they've turned their back on both. IOW, they have bought Trump's stories hook, line, sinker, fisherman and they even have swallowed the boat.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
What will Trump enthusiasts do once Trump is out of office? Mike Pence is no Trump.
Of all the Trump voters I personally know, not one
expressed any desire to see President Pence.
But a few anti-Trumpers have favored him.
That was a surprise.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Mike who?
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
Pence is very likable. I'm not surprised.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
lol.
That would explain it. Many voters want a likeable president,
even if he (or she) has agendas they'd oppose, eg, Pence's
theocratic bent.
It takes me a while to understand this because likeability
doesn't matter much to me.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
Many would even support his theocratic bent.
Aye, that is indeed one element on the left.
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
Do you think? I would think the left would want to avoid theological stuff. I would think the right would be drawn to that more.