Australian Satanism and the Temple of THEM

[kerriscott]

The admission given by Hollow [...] reads: "I'll admit that on occasion I’ve spoken about the o9a without sufficient education or experience in some matters."

On occasion, and in some matters? How economical with the truth you are. Even after x years of claiming to be O9A and claiming to run an O9A nexion and even after writing thousands of pages of gabble about the O9A, you couldn't answer basic questions about the O9A.

Also, in your spin you for some reason conveniently 'forgot' to mention that you admitted that you "didn't give a **** about the O9A code" and that for x number of years you claimed to be O9A.

Since presencing that code via living is what makes (and always has made) someone O9A, you falsely claimed for x number of years to be O9A and falsely claimed to running an O9A nexion. Didn't you?

BTW, talking about yourself in the third person is quite indicative.

You know what they say about a woman scorned and ill-informed

Argumentum ad hominem. Not to mention pathetic and - indicatively - misogynist.

Satanism and just life, involves, risk, danger, sacrifice

So you've changed your mind about meeting me in the mid-East then? You've got my details.

What's that? Your eight new imaginary friends won't let you go?

 

[jeff77]

Temple of THEM threads always outstrip competition by thousands of views...because people are interested in us.

Yeah keep telling yourself that.

Since page 5 this thread has been about you and the O9A but mostly about the O9A. Without the O9A then you and your internet only temple wouldn't be and aren't that interesting.

You're now akin to a Zach B clone but of less interest because unlike him you don't yet exist in the real world. Maybe you could ask Sin Jones if you could also do a call-in talk show? That might be a start.

We cannot stay insulated and anonymous forever

Then how's about you in person asking the Aussie gov if your temple could put up a Satanic monument in Sydney? You and your friends could then give interviews using your real names - or you could carry on being anonymous and hide your faces behind a towel or a mask.

Internet talk is cheap so what is your cunning plan to stop being insulated and anonymous?

 

[AnnaCzereda]

Anna, you seem to have conveniently forgotten my replies to you when you asked the same question again and again x months ago.

Nope. I remember them very well. The thing is that your replies left much to be desired. Basically, you repeat the same stuff over and over again, without providing evidence, hoping that if something is repeated often enough, it will stick in people's memory and thus become true. The old propaganda technique.

The next propaganda technique you use is quoting your whole posts in your blog but only a few selected sentences from the posts of your opponents in the discussion. So anyone who is reading your blog knows only your side of the story and only your arguments, whereas the arguments of your opponents remain conveniently ignored.

As I and others have mentioned many times, various people were privately informed, by some O9A people, and years before I publicly made the accusations, of the fact that a certain person was a useful muppet. One person so informed, way back in 2011, was Professor Monette who at the time was doing research into the O9A prior to writing his now published book Mysticism in the 21st Century.

The 2012 edition mentions the Temple of Them as a legitimate ONA nexion and Ryan as one of the old guards lol. The 2013 edition mentions Jall as an ONA outer representative. You were making **** up as you went.

That you seem either unable to grasp this logic or refuse to publicly admit - in a clear unambiguous manner - that the case against him is proven beyond reasonable doubt, especially given his own admission regarding ignoring the O9A code, is most interesting.

Even more interesting is the fact that you waited 8 years with exposing the supposed pretender and allowed him to be one of the public voices of the ONA for eight years. What for? To propagate the mythos? As if it needed Ryan's help. You're not telling the whole truth.

To wit: enabling others to judge who is and who is not really O9A. Something necessary given various internet shenanigans in recent years.

Oh lol. So the poor ONA folks need someone to enable them to judge who is ONA and who isn't ONA, because due to the various online shenanigans, they are a little bit confused and can't do that for themselves. Or do you want to educate the general public? How charitable of you.

But no doubt you won't accept that simple answer.

No, I only accept creative narratives. The more complex the better. Ask Dread. :sarcastic

 

[kerriscott]

Basically, you repeat the same stuff over and over again

Actually, you're the one making and circulating propaganda about the matter because you have never given straight, honest, answers to simple questions asked of you. For example, such questions as these:

1. Given that he himself admitted that he "didn't give a **** about the O9A code", and given that following that code is what distinguishes someone who is O9A from someone who is not O9A, was he or was he not falsely claiming to be O9A? Yes, or no?

2. Did he or did he not provide many "useful indicators" regarding his personal character during the course of his public interrogation? Yes, or no?

Even more interesting is the fact that you waited 8 years with exposing the supposed pretender and allowed him to be one of the public voices of the ONA for eight years. What for?

Since the "what for" has been 'out there' for ages, perhaps you should do more research before offering your opinion? Among other things, Kris did a valuable job in digitizing several of the older O9A MSS which up until then were rare, for example the Brekkek copy of Naos. He also helped popularize the Star Game, and published - in printed format - many O9A texts.

That he made useful contributions was never in dispute. While he was making such contributions, and while he did not publicly act contrary to the O9A code, he was, publicly, left alone. Only when he began doing and writing 'odd things' (such as announcing leaving the O9A, then announcing he was back, then he was leaving, then he was back), was making no more useful contributions, and publicly and privately acted contrary to the O9A code, did 'the public saga' begin.

Now, what you or others believe or assume about these reasons is irrelevant. A certain decision was made about him, based on certain criteria, and followed through.

He was given ample opportunities to present his side of the story both in public and in private. While he did present his side of the story publicly, several times, he never privately contacted any of the O9A OG.

Now before you make more assumptions, perhaps you could honestly and directly answer the two questions asked above?

The 2012 edition mentions the Temple of Them as a legitimate ONA nexion and Ryan as one of the old guards

Wrong. The published book makes no mention of him or his imaginary temple. A pre-publication draft, written in 2011, did mention both, but following private correspondence between the author and Anton Long about Krispy being a muppet, mention of both was removed prior to publication.

For those who might be interested, and due to the generosity of the author, a pdf of the chapter about the O9A from the published book is freely available in both English and Arabic. Both versions are here - Monette On The O9A

 

[hollow]

Ghosts II | THE TEMPLE OF THEM

 

[AnnaCzereda]

Given that he himself admitted that he "didn't give a **** about the O9A code", and given that following that code is what distinguishes someone who is O9A from someone who is not O9A, was he or was he not falsely claiming to be O9A? Yes, or no?

It was sufficiently covered at 600 Club. The Code of Kindred Honor applies to people who know each other personally and are to each other like a family. At least, this is how it looks like:

"Our duty – as individuals who live by the Code of Kindred-Honour – is to be loyal to, and to defend, our own kind: to do our duty, even unto death, to those of our brothers and sisters to whom we have sworn a personal oath of loyalty."


And so on and so forth. How can you be loyal to the anonymous strangers online, even if they claim to be ONA? Perhaps, the problem of the ONA "family" is that you really don't know each other well enough to be able to follow the Code of Honor. Anyway, I'm still waiting for you to give some evidence of Ryan's dishonorable behavior. All these petty examples you gave at 600 are not examples of someone acting dishonorably.

Did he or did he not provide many "useful indicators" regarding his personal character during the course of his public interrogation? Yes, or no?

I didn't see him revealing any negative traits of character. But I saw not a very elegant online smear campaign against him that is still going on even after he renounced his connection to the ONA.

Now, what you or others believe or assume about these reasons is irrelevant.

Nevertheless, you decided to drag this **** in public forums, where people will always make assumptions. I'm not making assumptions, just saying you're not telling the whole truth. I've been on the S-forums for nearly four years and have never seen such poisoned atmosphere there as I see now. You and Chris slinging poop at each other could as well be only a small part of some ****** picture.

Wrong. The published book makes no mention of him or his imaginary temple. A pre-publication draft, written in 2011, did mention both, but following private correspondence between the author and Anton Long about Krispy being a muppet, mention of both was removed prior to publication.

But it still mentions Jall as a new outer representative. The poor guy had to correct his draft many times because you people kept telling him fairy tales.

 

[hollow]

For historical purposes: the aforementioned draft of Conn's book Blood, Wine, and the Golden Chain mentioning THEM: [with several key words/passages underlined.]

"...However, even as the Old Guard had begun its gradual withdrawal from public duty in the last decade, new voices have risen to prominent positions. Though no nexion is technically above the others, there is a system of peer recognition amongst the Order‟s cells. Several nexions are public and well recognized, forming a sort of „New Guard‟: among them are (British) Daughters of Baphomet, (Italian) Secuntra, and (Canadian) Aerhaosh, and Alien Nation (Iceland). Most prominent and vocal, however are the flagship nexions*: (Australian) Temple of THEM and (American) White Star Acception (aka. WSA352).


TEMPLE OF THEM
If any one nexion serves as a bridge between the traditional ONA of the 20th century, and the ONA of the future, it is the Temple of THEM. The name of the nexion (Temple of THEM) appears to be a reference to the name „THEM‟ used for the dark spirits or deities of the Order, referenced in some of the ONA‟s fiction, e.g. "Falcifer‟. Further, if any of the Old Guard remain accessible to the public, it is Ryan Anschauung. Writer, historian, artist and visionary: Anschauung appears to serve not only as counselor to those intrepid souls searching for answers in the ONA‟s esoteric traditions, but also as archivist of the Sinister, including the semi-official archivist of the ONA. As editor of the Black Glyph Press, Anschauung has published the collected public works of the ONA (De Requisite Exquisite) and its nexions, as well as his own haunted insights into the Order‟s past and present. From available information written by the Temple themselves in their e-zine Oto Anorha, THEM originally consisted of six key members. Asked in 2011 about its membership numbers, one of its founders admitted over the course of 2009-2011 the increase of two more key members bringing the total to eight. Asked in 2012 about its membership numbers, the Temple of THEM replied that those details were no longer being released. From the evidence available online it is apparent from literally hundreds of posts and dozens of articles released by THEM that there is constant and long term contact between the Temple and the public with hundreds of instances of consultation by would-be-initiates on various esoteric matters being fielded by THEM representatives or perhaps just one. It is reasonable to assume there is an equal or larger share of such questions fielded privately. Thus while the core of the nexion remains likely small, the Temple‟s true strength is in its influence over those ONA associates or would-be affiliates who correspond with Anschauung and his nexion.

*Conn's words. not mine.

 

[hollow]

For Hysterical purposes; the only known photograph of the complete members of the Temple of THEM.

 

[kerriscott]

It was sufficiently covered at 600 Club

There you go again, failing to answer, yet again, the one simple question that gets to the heart of the matter.

Why don't you just answer the question instead of continuing to commit the fallacy of ignoratio elenchi?

But I saw blah blah blah

And I see someone who refuses - for some reason - to answer a simple, direct, question:

Given that Kris himself admitted that he "didn't give a **** about the O9A code", and given that following that code is what distinguishes someone who is O9A from someone who is not O9A, was he or was he not falsely claiming to be O9A? Yes, or no?​

 

[AnnaCzereda]

@Hollow This is what I'm wondering about. Why the sudden change? Such a sudden outburst of hostility. It's possible there have been some changes or that something is going on within the Inner Circle to which the outsiders, even if they belong to the ONA, are not privy to so they are just jumping on the hate bandwagon.

 

[kerriscott]

Conn's words. not mine.

Words deleted after he did more research using primary sources. Which is why you and you 'temple' weren't included in the published book.

FYI, that's how scholars work - honestly revising drafts when further research using primary sources is undertaken.

But it still mentions Jall as a new outer representative

Which comment may well be revised when the second edition of the book is published next year, following further research by the author.

 

[kerriscott]

It's possible there have been some changes or that something is going on within the Inner Circle to which the outsiders, even if they belong to the ONA, are not privy to.

Here are some, possibly interesting, things that Kris, you, and perhaps some others who have commented upon this on-going saga, might consider as possibly relevant to, or possibly not relevant to, that saga and the above comments of yours.

1. "I have believed since I began my journey with ONA that self-honesty is the most powerful force a person can wield." (Source - Ryan Anschauung, Diary of Devil Worshipper, vol 3)

2. A psychodrama could possibly be played out via the medium of the internet, rather than on some physical stage or during some session (exoteric or occult).

3. " The [ONA] methods and practices expounded did indeed transform me into something altogether different from what I used to be." (Source - Ryan Anschauung, Diary of Devil Worshipper, vol 2)

4. "There is also the indirect/direct threat of Retaliation for desertion of the Order." (Source - Ryan Anschauung, Diary of Devil Worshipper, vol 2)

5. "There are as many excuses for failure as there have been and will be failures. Each failure is just a failure, and the flow of Life goes on, perhaps to the sound of mirthful Satanic laughter. Sometimes someone – teetering, feeling perhaps The Abyss that awaits and entices them and yet unbalanced still by a vestige of mundane ego – may even feel they have been 'used'; and of course they have: by me, by themselves, by others of our kind, and by the wyrdful flow of Change that is the Cosmos. But of course The Abyss does not care, the Cosmos does not care, as I and others of my kind do not care at least in the way some person may want. They were told, warned – right from the start. We, The Order of Nine Angles, are as we are – balewa. Difficult; hard; testing; destructive. A natural rencounter, genesis of new beginnings. No you or I or we, just one enantiodromia among so many. The Way is there; it works: for the few. And it for these few that we reserve our applause. After all, it is just Life changing, evolving, as it changes and evolves in this one small causal part of the Cosmos – a game for some, perchance a τραγῳδία for others; an exeatic drama to enhance our own brief temporary causal living, perchance to propel us thence toward our own acausal life." (Source - Acta Est Fabula Plaudite, Toward The Abyss)

 

[hollow]

@Hollow This is what I'm wondering about. Why the sudden change? Such a sudden outburst of hostility. It's possible there have been some changes or that something is going on within the Inner Circle to which the outsiders, even if they belong to the ONA, are not privy to so they are just jumping on the hate bandwagon.

To quote the Inquisition: “Now, you either understand that a sinister-numinous mythos is or can be affective (a presencing) both via individuals and otherwise – that is, a type of sorcery, affective over periods of time in respect of some (not
all) individual psyches – or you don’t. Just as you either understand that THEM has an esoteric philosophy or you don’t. If not, and if you can be bothered, perhaps a reading of the works that fall under the umbrella Mvimaedivm and the Temple of THEM Wordpress, might help?

Furthermore, the esoteric reality is that a mythos developes an archetypal life of its own, after a certain point, especially if it has an ‘us’ and ‘them’ built into it and also resonates (to some) on a primal
level. Which of course is where stuff like (a) chaos, and (b) experiencing and unleashing forces beyond forms and adversarial, incitement, and (c) the Temple interpretation of phyrm and thrasz, and (d) the break down of illusory division (via a logos) into ‘us’ and
‘mundanes’, come in.

It’s not for nothing that someone once wrote: “In
my own life, I have tried to create some things which can disrupt our societies and which can lead to the creation of strong, really dangerous, ruthless individuals – some things which are so subversive
that no laws could ever outlaw them, and that attempts to restrain them, to outlaw them, would only make them more attractive to some
individuals.”

“Also, a mythos doesn’t have to be literally ‘true’ in all its details - which is what the latter-day satanists in their mundanity, and with their gospel, forget or don’t know or can’t comprehend. If a mythos
was literally ‘true’ in all its details it wouldn’t be a mythos. What matters is that it does have a foundation in reality from which experience is drawn and that – it inspires, enthuses, captivates, entices, over decades and beyond. That is, in exoteric terms it resonates – captures the imagination – of a certain type of person. A mythos presences an ‘esoteric truth’ and – in the case of THEM – a logos. That’s why it’s aeonic sorcery; that’s why it presences what it does – to resonate with a particular type of person over a long period of time who of themselves and in a natural way not only transmit it but evolve it. For
it becomes a type of being living in the psyche of certain individuals and then evolves to become an archetypal (and not entirely a conscious) form.”


Thus it’s amusing and highly indicative that the Inquisition and others go around demanding exoteric ‘evidence’ for the mythos or aspects of it – as in
needing hordes of people giving their real names
and publicly admitting to being members of THEM, and giving documented proof of their ‘sinister deeds’, etcetera – in order to prove to you that, like the
CoS membership cards of days gone by, or like a Wal-Mart store, ‘it is real’. If you understood aeonic sorcery, or mysticism, never mind basic
sorcery and the supernatural, you’d understand just how real a mythos really is and thus be able to perceive its affects and effects in the mundane world and even in cyberspace, presenced as these are
and have been in certain individuals and especially in and via their ‘imagination’ and what results (is presenced, manifest, created) therefrom. But of course the latter-day satanists have done away with
the supernatural, have no need of mysticism, and lack the imagination to embark on a life-long occult quest.

For what matters is not the sheer number of those who endure to the very end and reach the goal of that quest, but rather (i) that a few – a creative, very small minority, over decades and longer – do, and (ii) that many more are changed or inspired or affected in some way (however small) for however short or long a time, for such small changes and such inspiration and such affects (such mutations of
individual character – physis – and psyche) are, aeonically, cumulative, and thus over centuries presence – and bring into being – the logos.

But I’m guessing this is just way too outré for most, certainly it will be for the latter-day satanists with their materialistic world-view and their egoism.

Also, I’m not presenting anything new here, for everything I’ve written here has already been mentioned, or hinted at, in various THEM archives thousands of times, just take a look at Mvimaedivm Archives 2006-2009.

over the decades; just as, of course, this repacking by me of these particular esoteric truths is just one very very small part of that dialectical process that causes the mythos itself to live and to very slowly, and sometimes in a slithering way, spread…

 

[jeff77]

...Also, a mythos doesn’t have to be literally ‘true’ in all its details - which is what the latter-day satanists in their mundanity, and with their gospel, forget or don’t know or can’t comprehend. If a mythos was literally ‘true’ in all its details it wouldn’t be a mythos. What matters is that it does have a foundation in reality from which experience is drawn and that – it inspires, enthuses, captivates, entices, over decades and beyond. That is, in exoteric terms it resonates – captures the imagination – of a certain type of person. A mythos presences an ‘esoteric truth’ and – in the case of THEM – a logos...

Mr McDermott, what an excellent job you've done confusingly mixing some quotations from O9A material with your own comments while adding other quotations from O9A material that you've doctored. The resulting gibberish detracts from whatever points you might have been trying to make as well as suggesting a confused state of mind.

Also, didn't you write, and I quote, that self-honesty is the most powerful force a person can wield?

Might you then here admit among other things that you didn't fully understand the O9A - as in the law of the new aeon - and didn't bother to ask your O9A contacts what being O9A meant in terms of responsibilities and duties as in that law aka the O9A code? That you've only yourself to blame for what's happened given your behavior toward O9A people - in public comments and also in comments you made to others in your private correspondence, both of which occurred years before this whole internet psychodrama began?

 

[jeff77]

1. "I have believed since I began my journey with ONA that self-honesty is the most powerful force a person can wield." (Source - Ryan Anschauung, Diary of Devil Worshipper, vol 3)

2. A psychodrama could possibly be played out via the medium of the internet, rather than on some physical stage or during some session (exoteric or occult).

3. " The [ONA] methods and practices expounded did indeed transform me into something altogether different from what I used to be." (Source - Ryan Anschauung, Diary of Devil Worshipper, vol 2)

4. "There is also the indirect/direct threat of Retaliation for desertion of the Order." (Source - Ryan Anschauung, Diary of Devil Worshipper, vol 2)

5. "There are as many excuses for failure as there have been and will be failures. Each failure is just a failure, and the flow of Life goes on, perhaps to the sound of mirthful Satanic laughter. Sometimes someone – teetering, feeling perhaps The Abyss that awaits and entices them and yet unbalanced still by a vestige of mundane ego – may even feel they have been 'used'; and of course they have: by me, by themselves, by others of our kind, and by the wyrdful flow of Change that is the Cosmos. But of course The Abyss does not care, the Cosmos does not care, as I and others of my kind do not care at least in the way some person may want. They were told, warned – right from the start. We, The Order of Nine Angles, are as we are – balewa. Difficult; hard; testing; destructive. A natural rencounter, genesis of new beginnings. No you or I or we, just one enantiodromia among so many. The Way is there; it works: for the few. And it for these few that we reserve our applause. After all, it is just Life changing, evolving, as it changes and evolves in this one small causal part of the Cosmos – a game for some, perchance a τραγῳδία for others; an exeatic drama to enhance our own brief temporary causal living, perchance to propel us thence toward our own acausal life." (Source - Acta Est Fabula Plaudite, Toward The Abyss)

What a fitting way to close this drama - Acta Est Fabula Plaudite indeed!

 

[jeff77]

take a look at Mvimaedivm Archives 2006-2009

Why trawl through and read such boring stuff when you yourself wrote that "there needs to be the willingness to take risks, and jump into the unknown even if it involves personal danger."

Which reminds me that you didn't reply to the question I asked you in my response to what you said. You said -

We cannot stay insulated and anonymous forever

My question was - Internet talk is cheap so what is your cunning plan to stop being insulated and anonymous?

Are you going to ask the Aussie gov if your temple could put up a Satanic monument in Sydney? Give interviews about Satanism to the media using your real name? Conduct a public Black Mass? Issue a fatwa against the O9A?

When you wrote that

Satanism and just life, involves, risk, danger, sacrifice

KS asked if you'd changed your mind about meeting her in the mid-East? Have you? Are you prepared to back up your words with deeds and take a risk and meet in a dangerous place?

Or were your words just words so that all you're going to do is direct me and others to read your Mvimaedivm Archives and continue to post quotations from your material and that of others mingled together or otherwise?

 

[Kelsey_Glynn]

Why trawl through and read such boring stuff when you yourself wrote that "there needs to be the willingness to take risks, and jump into the unknown even if it involves personal danger."

...and to request that you read certain "archives" from 2006 onward - isn't this the very same material that Krispy has allegedly foresworn and disowned?

...and didn't he in fact boldly declaim a few times that he was leaving this thread? (similar to how he has in the past, on multiple occasions, boldly declaimed that he has "left", "is leaving", "has now rejoined" O9A, ad nauseum.)

Thus it seems the "diadem" of the O9A Pretendu crowd (which at this point is far too gracious a description) continues to make a spectacle of himself with his unbridled neurosis. :no:

 

[phoung nguyen 666]

Looks like ONA made it into another fiction story:

-----Begin Quote-----

Alexandria was in an underground cavern. A small room in an underground cavern, all the room had was a desk and a banner on the rocky wall, the banner showing a circle with a bunch of lines in it, forming some sort of seven star cornered pentagram. The well-known symbol of The Order of The Nine Angles. A woman sat in a wooden chair at the desk, her face pale and old, she wore a black robe and had pendants on her necklaces, too many to count.


“Why,” the woman asked “I demand to know why you’re here and how you found this place.” Alexandria simply smiled. “Answer me.”


“I came to offer you a chance for your group to reach their goal. I found this place because…well we’ll save that for later.”


“Our goal? I don’t know what you’re talking about, were just a group of Satanists. There is no goal to be found here. I believe you have the wrong group.” Alexandria shook her head the grin beginning to grow.


“Don’t play dumb with me. I know this is a sanctuary of the ONA,” Alexandria got in the woman’s face, “and I know precisely what your group wants. The sacrifice of the weak. But no, the ONA wants more than that doesn’t it? Unfortunately the ONA dying. As I’m sure you’re aware the Vatican has cut down your numbers over the years, it was foolish of your organization to start a fight with them. At least not with the proper skills.” The woman got up, and just stared trying to get words out. “But now I’m here. I’m not your enemy. I’m your friend, your ally. But I need to talk to the head of the ONA. You do this, I can guarantee your chance to charge at Vatican City.” Alexandria back up giving the woman room to breathe.


“My name is Clair,” the woman said. “And you?” Alexandria smiled and held out a hand offering her to shake it. In which Clair did.


“Alexandria. I will keep my promise, you won’t regret this.”


“Our headquarters is based in England, I’ll send word you’re coming.” Clair let go, and Alexandria left the room. Clair could only think about it. Was this woman the ONA’s savior? Alexandria managed to exit a cave far from the canyon she had been in. Leading her back to the now morning light. Her phone began to ring and she answered.

source: *link removed*

-----End Quote-----


I'm starting to see an interesting "trend" now, which is how ONA is inspiring people not affiliated with ONA to write stories about it, or at least include it into their stories. I think it's really cool and hope it continues. But what I'd like to know is the reason why this is happening. If I could just figure out why...

 

[kerriscott]

I didn't see him revealing any negative traits of character.

So, in your opinion, the following examples don't reveal anything about him at all:

1. Accusing every O9A person who sparred with him here or elsewhere - or who mentioned him - of being Anton Long in disguise.
2. Writing a post containing his own very mundane ritual of initiation and which ritual 'gave him a sign' and ended with him pushing bits of parchment down a conveniently near toilet.
3. Boasting that he once single-handedly fought off a gang of assailants who were wielding iron bars and that he had lived a 'sinister life' without supplying any evidence for these claims.
4.. Claiming that he was 'an avatar of the messiah'.
5. Fraudulently claiming that he had published his collection De Requisite Exquisite before Anton Long's compilation The Requisite ONA, and thus that "the o9a was trying to outdo" him.
6. Claiming that being an 'avatar of the messiah', of living as 'the archetype of the saviour', was him anonymously undertaking a six-year long O9A 'insight role'.
7. Repeatedly changing his story when confronted by evidence, as in (5) and (6).
8. Being unable to answer simple questions about O9A esotericism despite claiming to have run an O9A nexion for x number of years.
9. Repeatedly posting ravings such as -

"Tens of thousands of people have related relief, gratitude, affirmation, and delight at the hundreds of thousands of insights I have shared from my path."​

"I've a dozen names. Some you know. Some you don't. Some are watching you right now. And it did not please them that they created a Hollow Krist. Who turned on them, ate them as food, used them as they used others. And lest that Hollow Krist create others and threaten their extinction, they charge up my mountains bearing torches and screaming for the monster to come outside so they, in their outrage, can burn him."​

Of course, when asked, he couldn't provide any evidence of those tens of thousands of people or detail his "hundreds of thousands of insights".

The above are just some examples, BTW.

 

[AnnaCzereda]

So, in your opinion, the following examples don't reveal anything about him at all...

These are quite petty accusations, really; suspecting some anonymous people of being AL's socks or publishing the funny ritual. As for this:

Fraudulently claiming that he had published his collection De Requisite Exquisite before Anton Long's compilation The Requisite ONA, and thus that "the o9a was trying to outdo" him.

Perhaps, he was just tying to be naughty, deceitful and mischievous, confusing the so called mundanes. What's wrong with that?

Being unable to answer simple questions about O9A esotericism despite claiming to have run an O9A nexion for x number of years.

So now the ONA is about studying and memorizing things.

Claiming that being an 'avatar of the messiah', of living as 'the archetype of the saviour', was him anonymously undertaking a six-year long O9A 'insight role'.

If I remember well, he wrote he was a skinhead for two years.

Boasting that he once single-handedly fought off a gang of assailants who were wielding iron bars and that he had lived a 'sinister life' without supplying any evidence for these claims.

How should he document this fight? Fight the thugs with one hand and with another take pictures or record it on camera? What you say doesn't make sense.

Repeatedly posting ravings such as -

"Tens of thousands of people have related relief, gratitude, affirmation, and delight at the hundreds of thousands of insights I have shared from my path."​

"I've a dozen names. Some you know. Some you don't. Some are watching you right now. And it did not please them that they created a Hollow Krist. Who turned on them, ate them as food, used them as they used others. And lest that Hollow Krist create others and threaten their extinction, they charge up my mountains bearing torches and screaming for the monster to come outside so they, in their outrage, can burn him."​

Just a piece of creative writing. What's wrong with that?

If you dealt with this drama in the private ONA Facebook or Yahoo groups and on your blogs, it would be a non issue. That you drag the **** in the forums and present it to outsiders is suspicious.