Australian Satanism and the Temple of THEM

[hollow]

Anyway, I think I made my point and points. No more posts from me. The Themonomicon will be out in 2015 and I'm leaving to chair the ASOV.
You can have the thread for your clubhouse, KS, KG and what not. Knock yourselves out.

 

[Iti oj]

I never understood occult Orders spilling all their info over the net, but you can certainly find links to my personal writings in the Luciferian DIR.

As a luciferian I am very against secretness and seek to expand to include all of humanity.

 

[jeff77]

Projecting a completed Aim of THEM forward to 2036 when what we want to achieve will have cemented itself is not prophecy, it is not well-wishing, it is not faith, and it is not conjecture

It most certainly is a conjecture, i.e an assumption, a presumption. Realistically it can't be anything else. Like KS said - in her pedantic way - "you can only presume you may have such a longevity."

of people becoming obsessed with and adept with Forms

In the context of esoteric philosophy, isn't this just something else you derived or copied from the O9A? Or if you prefer, you were inspired, again, by the O9A. Nothing wrong in that. Many people are or have been, though many don't acknowledge it. Or prefer not to acknowledge it because they want to sound 'original' and creative. Those so inspired include ODF, OSV, Temple ov Blood, etcetera etcetera.

Can you read ancient Greek? If not, then please don't mention Plato re 'forms', for if you do it'll just be pretentious

Yes, I should abandon the o9a's term Insight Role, perhaps ODF's Ingress Roles is better

The ODF term is derived from the O9A insight role, and which O9A term and the idea of insight roles goes back to the 70s, long before the ODF existed. Therefore you (who probably weren't even born then or were in kindergarten) are just again being inspired by the O9A. Nothing wrong there.

I'm not bound to o9a's way of thinking, I'm not bound to o9a's leaders or self-appointed authorities, I'm not bound to a single thing

Yet for 8 years you claimed to be O9A and claimed to run an O9A nexion. Therefore you were honor bound by the O9A logos, for that is one of the two things that make someone O9A. That you didn't consider yourself to be bound by that logos, and in public did things contrary to that logos, revealed you were - re the O9A at least - a fraud, one of the O9A pretendu crowd.

It's only since you been found out re claiming to be O9A that you go around claiming that you're "not bound to a single thing."

 

[jeff77]

For many this statement would be indicative enough in and of itself (and you are to be credited for such an honest admission, if nothing else) - yet it could also be paraphrased as the major difference as being "cogent" (per O9A) versus "barely cogent" (though the latter may be too emphatic a laud per the gabble you recently quoted.)

Quite so. Mr Hollow - as author of 'temple of them' material, whatever nym he uses - also loves to use 'barely cogent' terms (or should we say pretentious terms?) in his attempt to distinguish his material from that of the O9A. Terms such as Matrix-ridden Phyrm, and Undividual, and Phorces, and Phorms, and Supra Solidarity, and Unavir, and Themonomicon, and.... so on.

 

[jeff77]

That a certain person - namely the founder of a supposed Australian "esoteric order" allegedly formed by such person as referenced in the thread's title - inserts themselves into a forum for discussion of verifiable "religions" as a means to obtain credibility, a grasp at some outside verification in other words (when said person has been widely discredited otherwise and continues to be discredited here) is in itself highly indicative.

Again, quite so.

As KS opined - although I think she was quoting what someone else wrote when Mr Hollow tried to create a Wikipedia page about his 'temple' - he's merely "an anonymous internet individual, of no demonstrated notability".

 

[1137]

Oh good, there's more.

 

[Satan's Right Hand Man]

Oh good, there's more.

And they said ONA had no members! Pssh.

This forum should keep Hollow around! He seems to attract a lively hoard of people!

 

[Waren_S_Gnobe]

"Let us not forget that the Sinister Path involves a lot of fun – a lot of laughter and pleasure – as well as a certain dark, and sometimes even grim, striving. There is and should be ecstasy; exultation – as there must be, beyond the stage of novice, the ability, as I have written elsewhere, to not take one’s self too seriously: to have fun at one’s own expense.

It is one of the many signs of the failures – of those who pose at being Satanists – that they take themselves too seriously, and can become obsessed, with themselves, with others, with “things”. Our way means self-understanding and self-honesty – we have to know, and admit, when we are wrong and so – knowing and admitting – we can move on, learning from our errors of experience."



Regardless of my position, or my honest opinion about both parties, KS (ONA) KH (THEM), I must say that this fight can be fun only for one side, for the other one involved is pure frustration. For the one being too serious about themselves, while in reality being exposed as failures. I, personally care not about that they fail to provide evidence of their claims, as for the obvious lack of deeper esoteric understanding evident in them. I don't care if they have done, or have not this or that.

What if they are right? What if they provide evidence of such claims concerning their real-life activity after all? The fact they lack true understanding of esoterics, especially in connection with ONA - stays obvious.

Here, I will maybe reveal something. Not actually reveal, because it is already out there in public, but not thought over enough, especially when it comes to cases as this one.

Profane see no truth, even if it is handed out to them, shown, underlined with yellow marker. Profane see nothing - being overwhelmed by knowledge they possess, knowledge they were served by religion, state and masses. But to understand ONA in a right way, you don't need only knowledge, but Knowing, that can only grow inside of someone when you strip away all the "knowledge" they adapted from those three great liars mentioned above.

So, profane who possess no Knowing at all, can never understand what ONA really is and why many heads ended up cracked open in attempt to crack ONA.

Accordingly, we witness many such cases (of heads cracked opened), besides continuous questioning, proving, disproving about whether ONA is real or not. Many of those once confronted with their lack of Knowing, go their way to heal themselves of such severe wounds. But, sometimes we have cases like this one, popular at the moment, ov those who are still banging their badly injured head against ONA, making more blood pools around, and providing those who are having fun with more laughter.

THE Question about whether ONA is real or not, can serve as yet another "useful indicator" of someone's lack of Knowing and Understanding, being that mentioned someone spent almost a decade by ONA's side, even tutored by some members. Indicative is also that there are many out there who even didn't receive any tutoring, and yet their understanding of esoterics (not only o9a-wise) exceeds that of THEM and Hollow they show in their writings, or in places as this one. Should I mention that one of those who I respect more than Hollow, regarding matters esoteric, is not more than 20-21 years old.

Others provided some evidence that "something" real is actually going on out there, when it comes to o9a. But, We will go after another related, but more important question (to avoid :

"What and who is ONA?"

Profane (regardless of whether they call themselves o9a, sinister, or not) falls into confusion very easily over this question. Why this is so? Because you have ONA and ONA. How? To simplify things we can say that this is term-based confusion. Term "ONA" has been used to describe both: actual esoteric Order of Nine Angles and groups and individuals who are "in whole or in part influenced or inspired" by this Order.

So we have actual, esoteric Order of Nine Angles, who for decades stated that - they are not into numbers game. That - they spread slowly over decades, in real world, recruiting real people, close friends, members of their families etc. People they know on personal basis, transmitting their teachings and their agendas from mouth to ear, only. This is why notion of actual "membership" was always avoided when it comes to those outsiders who are "ONA". They always were "associates", influenced groups and individuals, and so on. This all painted with supposed distancing from old-aeon orders and their membership structure. The truth is more simple - you are just not members. You all are just guinea pigs.

So, what is this other "ONA" to which our sinister star, Hollow, belongs, alongside with his not so anonymous friends here? It is a SPELL, casted upon this World by actual, esoteric and sinisterly-numinous Order of Nine Angles. A spell they were (un)fortunate to get caught into. Why using brackets while talking about their (mis)fortune? Because this 'spell' is by itself sinisterly-numinous as the Order is. It can serve to bring you closer to the Knowing and Understanding, thus closer to the actual Order, as well as it serves many sinister goals and purposes at the same time.

Basically, all of you running around (anonymous or not) claiming to be "ONA" are under the spell. Buzzing like flies stuck in glue. Some 'intelligent' flies like that Hollow one, are trying to set themselves free by eating mentioned glue. This usually turns out to be fatal. Some other flies seeing this make the same attempt, with probably same fatal end. Being not aware of the Spell, they, Hollow and friends, are actually not aware they are simply programmed in a certain way, to fulfill certain role, to move in certain direction, and to even feed on glue.. or on your frustration for the sake of someone's fun.

Despite the fact that profane are blind, I already said too much. But, honestly I doubt they'll wrap their heads around this asuming who knows what. Also not being aware that they simply can't resist the spell. And even if they do wrap their heads around this, they will just stay confused as they are. Maybe bit more angry - but that's the positive side. Anger makes them more productive. More capable of further spreading of virus (the spell). Because profane are what they are, and whatever you bestow upon them, they will be always, utterly confused, while building self-imposed (or is it self-imposed hahha) image of themselves as quantum philosophers, new-aeon scientists, progressive magickians, Vindexes or whatever..

Today, a friend, shared with me an OSHO video. Funny and interesting one. I would like to use OSHO's as they are perfectly attuned to ONA's mouth:

"Baby, My Whole Work is to Confuse You"​

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[AnnaCzereda]

I already said too much.

Anyway, thank you kindly for joining the forum and gracing us with your insight. Your revelations have been duly noted by all the prominent journalists here. Tomorrow these breaking news will appear in all the most popular tabloids.

 

[kerriscott]

So, what is this other "ONA" to which our sinister star, Hollow, belongs, alongside with his not so anonymous friends here? It is a SPELL, casted upon this World by actual, esoteric and sinisterly-numinous Order of Nine Angles. A spell they were (un)fortunate to get caught into.

Interesting, and perhaps hinting at truth re the O9A which many seem to have overlooked.

In the 1970s Anton Long set out to create a mythos, or - to use your rather opposite turn of phrase - cast a spell, a work of aeonic sorcery. Now, 40 years later that mythos is a reality; that spell is working its magick, in aeonic and other ways. For the mythos he created is the O9A. In other words, he "proclaimed a new logos", and ἀπεκύησε λόγῳ ἕτερον Νοῦν δημιουργόν [whose logos brought forth another perceiveration] as it says in the Pymander tractate.

As someone recently wrote, "a mythos is a living thing, and archetypal beyond a certain point, but always has some basis in reality - in the case of the O9A, the strange life of Myatt." Which strange - sinisterly-numinous - life is documented by mainstream sources, and which life (as someone else wrote) forms the practical foundation of the O9A, qv (for example) http://regardingdavidmyatt.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/myatt-mage-o9a-v2.pdf

That 'archetypal tipping point' was reached some years ago, in the early naughties. For what is really important about the O9A is not the voluminous writings of Anton Long, but rather the example of 'his' strange sinisterly-numinous life. That example - of the seven fold way etcetera - is, and will remain, a constant. Think 20, 50, and more, years from now. Of course, most ego-centric latter-day satanists cannot think beyond their own mortal life, given that their egoism, and carnality, is the raison d'être of their 'satanism'.

Furthermore, the reality is that people can say all they want about "the saga of Hollow Krispy" being a kindergarten spat (or whatever), and about "anonymous internet individuals claiming to be O9A" saying all manner of silly things, and about the "O9A not really existing", blah blah blah, but these all in however small a way make others aware of the mythos and often aid its dissemination - for why else are so many now interested in the O9A and why else are others continually trying to debunk the O9A or keep talking (negative or positive) about the O9A?

The saga of Mr Hollow makes a very interesting point vis-a-vis the O9A mythos, which is that he and others like him, via the internet or otherwise, can in no way detrimentally affect that mythos unless or until they have a sinisterly-numinous documented life akin to or surpassing that of Myatt. Because they don't have such a documented life, they are and remain and will be understood (at least by the sagacious) as irrelevant (and mostly plebeian) latter-day satanists or grumbling mundanes, or O9A pretenders spouting gabble. Or, more simply expressed, they lack gravitas, credibility, and so are (whatever they themselves and others might believe) currently powerless to affect a mythos (let alone create one), regardless of how many times they via the internet (or even in real life) drone on and on about the O9A and/or about their own 'esoteric philosophy'. Who, for instance, in 20 or 50 years time will care what someone once wrote on some internet forum or some blog about the O9A or about the so-called 'esoteric philosophy' some person of no demonstrated notability claimed to have created? Yet 20 and 50 years from now the documented sinisterly-numinous life of Anton Long will still be around to perplex, intrigue, and perhaps inspire the necessary few.

That latter-day satanists, especially, don't understand such a-temporal stuff about a mythos just shows how disconnected they are from what is really occult. Disconnected from sorcery ('spells'), especially aeonic ones. For even if some of them do believe in sorcery, it's invariably of the 'cause-and-effect' kind germane to their own egoistic ("I command the powers") weltanschauung.

 

[Waren_S_Gnobe]

Anyway, thank you kindly for joining the forum and gracing us with your insight. Your revelations have been duly noted by all the prominent journalists here. Tomorrow these breaking news will appear in all the most popular tabloids.

Still having nothing better to do with your life , I see..


Consider yourself ignored eternally.

 

[Satan's Right Hand Man]

If ONA was fresh cow dung, Anna Banana Czereda is like a fly that just loves to hover around you guys. She's never far.

 

[Waren_S_Gnobe]

Interesting, and perhaps hinting at truth re the O9A which many seem to have overlooked.

In the 1970s Anton Long set out to create a mythos, or - to use your rather opposite turn of phrase - cast a spell, a work of aeonic sorcery. Now, 40 years later that mythos is a reality; that spell is working its magick, in aeonic and other ways.

As I said - not thought over enough. Or, simply - not openly accepted.

Why? because of egoblind. Would give such diagnose. Yes. Would not like to elaborate. Let them go find some specialist. But I do have one question- Any of you done some insight role, like being a monk, Christian, Buddhist, whatever, or being really dedicated follower of some religion? like some demanding dedication one - for exp. islam, a hindu sect? any? ever?

he "proclaimed a new logos", and ἀπεκύησε λόγῳ ἕτερον Νοῦν δημιουργόν [whose logos brought forth another perceiveration] as it says in the Pymander tractate.

Oh, easy with those, kerriscott, as I suspect something like this produces egoblind effect actually .

Why? Isn't it obvious? How can Long proclaim some new logos of some new Aeon, when Hollow is Messiah?? This is His time to be Savior not Long's! Long must be some Magian imposter from the future! Hmmm.. that can also explain some previous confusion with years of THEM's existence future-past-present.. whatever. Who knows what boils up under that severely damaged skull of his. And he cannot, simply cannot stop banging his head, neuzubillah! Jinns possessed him completely. Price of dabbling with sinister magick I guess.. dabbler.. Yes..

As someone recently wrote, "a mythos is a living thing, and archetypal beyond a certain point, but always has some basis in reality

Again, because of egoblind they cannot connect to that which is living; to Life itself. They are attached to dead "things". Pardon me, but they all are writing books. So clever. Wow. "please, can you sign my bear buttocks?'.

So, A. Long is that important to them, after all? They are the best promoters of his life and work. They are stamped all over with AL AL AL AL AL AL AL They write books about him!! Inspired by him. Ha! Yes Him. They don't know it. But whenever you see "o9a" "ONA" sigil of o9a, anything peculiarly ONA in any way, and beyond in terms of Numinous, pathei-mathos, causal-acausal model of universe, Galactic Destiny, hermetics and its secrets in light of new aeon, some new and recognizable dimensions of NS and Islam etc.. - you can simply read it as "Anton Long". Those are all just his names. You get it? Some of you will..

Maybe this will be valued differently, as you like to say, in 20, 50 years from now. When someone turns back and says "Wow.. look at how much has been written about Anton Long. How much had been done in his name(s). How spell worked splendidly; Oh, how sad he became Immortal and he cannot sign my bare buttocks now?" a tear, or two..

What is their identity without o9a (AL)? Zero. Nothing. What are their ideas, their "things", crap they put into their precious books? "Yo girl.,. you know, I wrote some books, I'm a famous writer, being on radio and ****. wanna fool around? I can write a book or two while I'm taking morning crap"

Of course, most ego-centric latter-day satanists cannot think beyond their own mortal life, given that their egoism, and carnality, is the raison d'être of their 'satanism'.

correctly described some of the side-effects of egoblind.

The saga of Mr Hollow makes a very interesting point vis-a-vis the O9A mythos, which is that he and others like him, via the internet or otherwise, can in no way detrimentally affect that mythos unless or until they have a sinisterly-numinous documented life akin to or surpassing that of Myatt. Because they don't have such a documented life, they are and remain and will be understood (at least by the sagacious) as irrelevant (and mostly plebeian) latter-day satanists or grumbling mundanes, or O9A pretenders spouting gabble. Or, more simply expressed, they lack gravitas, credibility, and so are (whatever they themselves and others might believe) currently powerless to affect a mythos (let alone create one), regardless of how many times they via the internet (or even in real life) drone on and on about the O9A and/or about their own 'esoteric philosophy'.

I would disagree on one thing here. I wouldn't say that only life (documented or not) as collection of actions and events is crucial for someones Inner growth. I know people had been through various experiences, done all kind of things, but they learn nothing. This is why, in my first post on the subject, I said how, for me, it is not even important whether they actually can support their claims with evidence or not. In other words, they might be powerless (to destroy or create) just because they cannot see the simple and eternal Truth (being ego blind).

I think that quote from one sage can be useful here:

"An Individual does not really become wise because of what happens to him; he becomes wise only when something inside of him understands the meaning of that experience."

That latter-day satanists, especially, don't understand such a-temporal stuff about a mythos just shows how disconnected they are from what is really occult. Disconnected from sorcery ('spells'), especially aeonic ones. For even if some of them do believe in sorcery, it's invariably of the 'cause-and-effect' kind germane to their own egoistic ("I command the powers") weltanschauung.

egoblind..

 

[Satan's Right Hand Man]

Guys, let's try to stay on topic please.

We were talking about Krusty Holloweener and his Temple of THEM.

 

[Kelsey_Glynn]

So, A. Long is that important to them, after all? They are the best promoters of his life and work. They are stamped all over with AL AL AL AL AL AL AL They write books about him!! Inspired by him. Ha! Yes Him. They don't know it. But whenever you see "o9a" "ONA" sigil of o9a, anything peculiarly ONA in any way, and beyond in terms of Numinous, pathei-mathos, causal-acausal model of universe, Galactic Destiny, hermetics and its secrets in light of new aeon, some new and recognizable dimensions of NS and Islam etc.. - you can simply read it as "Anton Long". Those are all just his names. You get it? Some of you will..

"...individuals whose sole notoriety has stemmed from their continual attacks on the traditions, mythos and history of the ONA while continuing to attach themselves, however tenuously, to the tradition, mythos and history of the ONA, without which they would most certainly disappear into obscurity. Thus is the parasitic need of those who, like the lamprey who attaches itself to the shark, would have no source of sustenance without that very being under whose banner they seek to carve out their own individual and perhaps more than mildly pretentious fiefdoms while also decrying the very formats which they, in their hubris, claim to be so far beyond." /Saturnyan :cover:

 

[kerriscott]

Any of you done some insight role?

That's a good example of ignoratio elenchi. An error which so many, it seems, make when discussing the O9A. The topic is the life of AL, the O9A mythos and its possible relation to AL, and the relation (if any) of said mythos to individuals such as Hollow Krispy.

because of egoblind they cannot connect to that which is living; to Life itself

Or, in O9A-speak, "because of causal-abstractions they cannot apprehend that which is living: the acausal and the sinisterly-numinous."

A similar sort of thing, using various terminologies, goes right back to ancient mystical traditions, including Hellenic hermeticism and gnosticism. So, that sort of understanding, O9A included, is really nothing new.

What is their identity without o9a (AL)? Zero. Nothing

It seems you have misunderstood both the 'importance' of AL and the O9A itself. AL's life is a documented example of O9A practice, of what the seven fold way means in real life, and thus grounds the mythos in reality, as does the axiom of the authority of individual judgement. Thus, "this axiom means that even the writings of Anton Long, and his esoteric philosophy, are only guides, a necessary beginning, and possess no ultimate authority." Source: The Authority Of Individual Judgement – Interpretation And Meaning

The aim of the O9A vis-a-vis individuals, from the very beginning, is (as for example outlined in a 1990 O9A text) to "develop the potential of an individual in a realistic, practical way [and so] enable each individual Initiate to develop their won unique understanding or view of life or world-view."

This aim has been restated again and again, as in a 2011 text:

"What matters is the individual developing, from their own years-long (mostly decades-long) practical experience, a personal weltanschauung: that is, discovering their own individual answers to certain questions concerning themselves, life, existence, the Occult, and the nature of Reality."

Practical experience, and developing a personal weltanschauung, equals a unique individual with a very individual identity. Which by its physis takes each individual beyond the O9A (as now is, and was) and beyond the example that is (and was) Anton Long.

I think that quote from one sage can be useful here: "An Individual does not really become wise because of what happens to him; he becomes wise only when something inside of him understands the meaning of that experience."

So, some people, or even many people - past and present - have a different take on life and acquiring wisdom than that outlined in O9A esoteric philosophy and praxis. So what? Aren't you making a spurious appeal to authority? The O9A way is just one way out of tens of thousands of different ways, past and present. That O9A way may be useful for a few, that's all. As AL wrote in a 1990 letter to Aquino, the O9A does not claim to be a peer organization with a claim to some sort of 'authority'. [Cue the axiom of individual authority, again.]

The O9A take regarding wisdom is that it's practical esoteric and exoteric experience - as manifest in the decades-long seven fold way, for example - that can provide that necessary pathei-mathos which is (or may be) the beginning of wisdom, and part of which wisdom is the the individual developing their own personal weltanschauung.

 

[AnnaCzereda]

If ONA was fresh cow dung, Anna Banana Czereda is like a fly that just loves to hover around you guys. She's never far.

That's quite an interesting and indicative comment considering the number of posts you've made in this thread and all other ONA related threads here. Next time you decide to take a shot at someone, take care you don't blow out your brains like Kurt Cobain.

Still having nothing better to do with your life , I see..

Still having nothing better to do with your life than recycling the old **** drama. That doesn't make you much different from all these drama loving Satanists you despise and consider as mundane. Basically, it's the pot calling the kettle black. At least, you could take a look at the mirror from time to time. That would make you less hypocritical.

Consider yourself ignored eternally.

I couldn't care less. It's a public forum and I don't post for you. I only meant your "revelations" are hardly any revelations. Everybody with more than two brain cells knows the difference between the ONA "member" and "associate". Go on preaching to the choir. That doesn't have to stop people from using some ONA memes and incorporating them into their own philosophy. Just because they do it doesn't yet make them your pawns. Maybe you wish it were the case but you kids must step up your game. So far, it's been junior high school tricks, annoying at best, but fairly transparent.

****-talking someone online while hiding behind anonymity doesn't cost much. Everybody can do it. The same is with the sock accounts. The woman announces going offline, deletes her facebook account and next day, she's there again under a different nickname, like a mouse hiding behind a lump of cheese. The moment she starts **** talking KHK and pontificating about the Code of Kindred Honor, the game is out. Yeah that's right Kerri Scott, I'm talking about you. Or perhaps, it's a dude. If there were some transvestite element to this lame comedy, it would be more interesting.

 

[Satan's Right Hand Man]

That's quite an interesting and indicative comment considering the number of posts you've made in this thread and all other ONA related threads here.

Anna, my little Polish Sausage, the mostly facetious - or one could say: "fecesious" - comments and posts I've made here are merely the tip of an iceberg. It's what is not seen here that counts. The key word regarding my activities here is: facetious.

Next time you decide to take a shot at someone, take care you don't blow out your brains like Kurt Cobain.

Do you know what a "White Wedding" is Anna?

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[Waren_S_Gnobe]

That's a good example of ignoratio elenchi. An error which so many, it seems, make when discussing the O9A. The topic is the life of AL, the O9A mythos and its possible relation to AL, and the relation (if any) of said mythos to individuals such as Hollow Krispy.

I was referring to these specific insight roles, as beneficial in terms of putting their ego in right place, regardless of said topic (which originally, in all fairness,was THEM , not AL in relation to Them, as you stated. Although you cannot separate it - true.)

However, I never saw lack of the same Ego-boasting on the other side (AL). It is equally obvious. Isn't it. But does it make it equal in any way? No. of course not. In this comparison, AL have that advantage of really creating something Alive (employing genuine sorcery), being real herald, of real changes that are upon us.

You had those heralds through out the history, in various cultures, civilizations.. Let us take a look at yet another such herald, in terms of time, a recent one - grandpa Crowley. He proclaimed/ described predominant energies affecting this civilization as related to archetype of a Child/Adolescent. So, all of this Ego predominant in all aspects of western culture, this recklessness, short-sight, constant rebellion, this Child is reflected equally on western spirituality. Wherever you look among vast number of western mystery currents - it's all Ego and child's fight. Consequently, no AL is exception. But in his case it is in somewhat different context than most of them, it's like using his Ego, this mythos as something "germane to all human beings". In case of Crispy and others this Ego is only feeding on itself.

So, this Ego is nothing bad by itself (as aforementioned herald of such "atmosphere", of a Child was badly affected himself), but it does matter how it serves those possessing it (or possessed by it), and all human beings, etc.

Again, profane probably wouldn't know anything about how Crowley's Child and AL's Mother ov Blood, as archetypal forces of New Aeon co-relate (in practical and esoteric terms). Are they heralds of two different Ages (Aeons)? - certainly not (AL in this context may look/sound interesting). More accurately they are heralds of different aspects of this New Aeon.

Again we can see some similar reflections in relation to those two (crowley - AL) upon case of AL - THEM. This Age (EGO, Child) asserts that every new herald must mercilessly feed upon previous one and be his enemy. AL done this, naturally. However, in case of Crispy and friends it's all just badly done simulation of a real thing - being that their Ego is not some new Gate of Aeonic current, but a rusty old door leading to endless reflections of itself (Ego), illusion of a "Messiah".

Or, in O9A-speak, "because of causal-abstractions they cannot apprehend that which is living: the acausal and the sinisterly-numinous."

A similar sort of thing, using various terminologies, goes right back to ancient mystical traditions, including Hellenic hermeticism and gnosticism. So, that sort of understanding, O9A included, is really nothing new.

Sounds very much like something written under nym Solomon in Scriptures - indeed, nothing new under the Skies. But profane get lost so often that simple things are new to them once shown. "Wow, simple breathing really can heal you!"

It seems you have misunderstood both the 'importance' of AL and the O9A itself. AL's life is a documented example of O9A practice, of what the seven fold way means in real life, and thus grounds the mythos in reality, as does the axiom of the authority of individual judgement. Thus, "this axiom means that even the writings of Anton Long, and his esoteric philosophy, are only guides, a necessary beginning, and possess no ultimate authority." Source: The Authority Of Individual Judgement – Interpretation And Meaning etc.

If I'm one of those I would be offended here. You really think I misunderstood importance you're talking about? I think they misunderstood it, in relation to something previously posted here, signed as "/Saturnyan" , please refer to it.

For me, it is important, but not out of context of importance of all other "heralds", mythos, genuine orders, spells others cast upon this World etc. Detached from Ego one can only see continuity, one lineage of interdependent "Acausal anomalies", as some like to say.

So, some people, or even many people - past and present - have a different take on life and acquiring wisdom than that outlined in O9A esoteric philosophy and praxis. So what? Aren't you making a spurious appeal to authority? The O9A way is just one way out of tens of thousands of different ways, past and present. That O9A way may be useful for a few, that's all. As AL wrote in a 1990 letter to Aquino, the O9A does not claim to be a peer organization with a claim to some sort of 'authority'. [Cue the axiom of individual authority, again.]

I think this also is elaborated in reply from above. Just to underline - I see all of these (genuine) currents as one, as one lineage, because many aspect of some new system (order, esoteric philosophy, whatever) wouldn't exist without the previous one to which the latter was contrary to some extent, thus evolving it. And so on.. Every new (genuine) order, new mythos is evolution of previous revelations, putting them in new context, moving forward - up the Spiral.

Here, one side simply asserts that Crispy is not capable of fulfilling such a role, due to his lack of true understanding of esoterics. But people do grow. who knows what would be of him. if survives this transit.

 

[Curious_Cat]

Hi. I'd like introduce the Temple of Them. We are eight people with various magical backgrounds and formed in 2006. We are theist and worship forces we call THEM. We operate out of Australia and recently formed the Australian Satanic Organization Victoria for real world meetings and activities. We each have our own system of magic and philosophy and have written dozens of books and thousands of pages on the occult. We've been published in various occult magazines by publishers as well as run our own book distributory - but offer hundreds of essays, images and materials freely from our wordpress. We support dozens of bands, artists, authors and lhp groups. We are presently working on a mammoth tome of our last two decades work - encompassing work written prior to taking the name of the Temple - that is a lovecraftian styled grimoire with every one of its 600 pages illustrated, called the Themonomicon. What we do is detailed in our work called Abracadabra and a short movie called Form 101 available from our wordpress. We look forward to fruitful discussion. ISS/h

Where can I meet some of you in person?