Australians Held Hostage today by an Islamic group

[Madhuri]

It's disgusting how Muslims get targeted (and Sikh by mistake) because a criminal is/was a Muslim. If a white non-Muslim commits a crime tomorrow I think I'm gonna start targeting all these white non-Muslim extremists. They're all the same just like all Muslims are the same.

And the Martin Place siege has nothing to do with Islam. It's just an idiot wanting attention and to speak to the PM waving the Islamic flag. If someone commits a crime tomorrow waving the Aussie flag I'll be sure to target all Aussies as they all are extremists for associating themselves with the flag of Australia.

It happens both ways because somehow it's easy to over-react then to use one's rational mind.
Like when white people attack or abuse Muslims, those who support the Muslim community point their finger and say white people are racist and ignorant, even though it's only a few stupid white people who do the abusing. Everyone likes to generalise, unfortunately.

 

[Madhuri]

I see it as a stupid drama, just propaganda

And thus We placed in every city greatest (of) its criminals, so that they plot therein. And not they plot except against themselves and not they perceive.6:123

I would need more evidence than what the videos have presented to believe that an actor and police agreed to have people traumatised and killed. Not that it isn't possible, but the speculation in the videos is really ridiculous. It's as if they already believe it's a hoax and are looking for any tiny detail as complete evidence that they are right.

 

[psychoslice]

I have never head a white person call a Muslim, black, brown or whatever colour, so why bring colour into it ?.

 

[Madhuri]

I have never head a white person call a Muslim, black, brown or whatever colour, so why bring colour into it ?.

If you're talking to me, it's a cultural thing. People here are always bringing colour into it. When there are physical and verbal attacks against Muslims it's always 'white people are bad' and 'white people hate Muslims' and 'white people are racist'. I was using that as an example but not for the purpose of making race/ethnicity the topic of conversation.

 

[psychoslice]

If you're talking to me, it's a cultural thing. People here are always bringing colour into it. When there are physical and verbal attacks against Muslims it's always 'white people are bad' and 'white people hate Muslims' and 'white people are racist'. I was using that as an example but not for the purpose of making race/ethnicity the topic of conversation.

Yes sorry, I understand what you are saying.

 

[Madhuri]

I have never head a white person call a Muslim, black, brown or whatever colour, so why bring colour into it ?.

It's a funny thing that I only started noticing a couple of years ago but in Aus, people generally seem to associate the term 'Australian' with the citizens of British ethnicity. I'm 'white' but even may of my ethnic friends tell me that I don't look Australian, lol. My response is 'what does an Australian' look like?' and then they clarify that they mean a really white person. I find it so odd, seeing as how multucultural it is here. But that's the general perception that people have in this country.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I feel that Muslims need to get their finger out and be much more out spoken about these low life's.

And why is that?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well I haven't hardly heard any one protesting, ,,,.

Did you read the OP? Which Australian Muslim organization has failed to meet your standards of sufficiency?

That Muslims apparently don't do enough to satisfy you may well say more about you than it does about the Muslim community.

 

[psychoslice]

It's a funny thing that I only started noticing a couple of years ago but in Aus, people generally seem to associate the term 'Australian' with the citizens of British ethnicity. I'm 'white' but even may of my ethnic friends tell me that I don't look Australian, lol. My response is 'what does an Australian' look like?' and then they clarify that they mean a really white person. I find it so odd, seeing as how multucultural it is here. But that's the general perception that people have in this country.

Yes I see, I haven't really known many ethnic people so I haven't heard that, but that's interesting, I suppose we all no matter who we are, are going to be categorised, its just a human thing. Animals also do the same thing, and we are after all animals.

 

[psychoslice]

Did you read the OP? Which Australian Muslim organization has failed to meet your standards of sufficiency?

That Muslims apparently don't do enough to satisfy you may well say more about you than it does about the Muslim community.

That may be so, but I can only go with what I have heard on the media, but still they need to do a lot more to save their repetition of being a so called peaceful religion.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That may be so, but I can only go with what I have heard on the media, ...

Really? What a bunch of self-serving crap!

 

[psychoslice]

Really? What a bunch of self-serving crap!

I think you are talking crap, you are in denial and are blinded by your beliefs.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I think you are talking crap, you are in denial and are blinded by your beliefs.

What am I denying? Which beliefs would those be?

 

[Madhuri]

I actually think that the Muslim community has been really outspoken and supportive during this event so nobody can say they aren't doing enough.
What needs to happen is that everyone bands together to speak out against the actual 'enemy' rather than point fingers at each other.
I do understand where you are coming from, though, psychoslice. Even if Muslim groups are speaking out we hardly get to know about it. More attention needs to be paid to the Muslims who do speak out because I feel this is a way that we can find unity in the country between Muslims and non-Muslims.

 

[psychoslice]

What am I denying? Which beliefs would those be?

Whatever rote you are trying to pass on, if you are for the Muslims, then wouldn't you want them to set people around the world right, everyone is so paranoid of the crazy religion that really still belongs in the past, where it came from.

 

[psychoslice]

I actually think that the Muslim community has been really outspoken and supportive during this event so nobody can say they aren't doing enough.
What needs to happen is that everyone bands together to speak out against the actual 'enemy' rather than point fingers at each other.
I do understand where you are coming from, though, psychoslice. Even if Muslim groups are speaking out we hardly get to know about it. More attention needs to be paid to the Muslims who do speak out because I feel this is a way that we can find unity in the country between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Yes I can agree with that, its going to take a long time, but lets hope it works out in the end.

 

[sun rise]

I actually think that the Muslim community has been really outspoken and supportive during this event so nobody can say they aren't doing enough.
What needs to happen is that everyone bands together to speak out against the actual 'enemy' rather than point fingers at each other.
I do understand where you are coming from, though, psychoslice. Even if Muslim groups are speaking out we hardly get to know about it. More attention needs to be paid to the Muslims who do speak out because I feel this is a way that we can find unity in the country between Muslims and non-Muslims.

It's important to keep paying attention to what the media chooses to report and to emphasize versus what they ignore or minimize.

Besides which, we have someone who's apparently not sane, has a criminal record and so forth claiming whatever. It's not necessary to denounce insane criminals for what they claim about religion no matter they be Muslim, Christian, Jew or Hindu.

 

[psychoslice]

When I first saw the event taking place on the news I started to cry, I knew how those people felt. I was shot along a highway just out of town, it was 2.30 am in the morning, I had friends in the car thank god. The car span of the road, my whole life flashed through my head, I laid there with my ankle nearly blown off, I was in shock, all I thought about was that whoever shot me was going to come and finish me of, I think about this event everyday of my life.

We all live in this beautiful country of Australia, and we never heard of the things that are starting to happen here. We let migrates into our country, hoping they will have a good life, but there are some who hate our country, they don't like women wearing the cloths they wear, and on and on it goes. I say why the hell did you want to come into our country if you didn't like our way of life. This is how most Australians are thinking, we feel that our country is starting to be taken away from us, and these people wonder why we seem so racist, when its not that at all, its just that we are confused and worry about what our country is going to end up as. Now the ball is in their court, that being Muslims or whoever doesn't like our way of life, you need to prove to us all that we are safe with you here.

 

[FearGod]

If you're talking to me, it's a cultural thing. People here are always bringing colour into it. When there are physical and verbal attacks against Muslims it's always 'white people are bad' and 'white people hate Muslims' and 'white people are racist'. I was using that as an example but not for the purpose of making race/ethnicity the topic of conversation.

Islam doesn't mean black or white people.

Islam is a religion and it is growing rapidly everywhere, such stupid drama is to show Islam as a devil and the other part as the Angel protecting the people.

For example they mentioned that this man was dealing with black magic while in Islam such act is forbidden and then it is to show that Muslims are ignorant and uncivilized people.

Even if it is true story and not drama,then what is the relation between a crazy person and Islam.

I don't think it'll be of any benefit for Australia to harm the Muslim people that counts about a one million person.

 

[Madhuri]

Islam doesn't mean black or white people.

Islam is a religion and it is growing rapidly everywhere, such stupid drama is to show Islam as a devil and the other part as the Angel protecting the people.

For example they mentioned that this man was dealing with black magic while in Islam such act is forbidden and then it is to show that Muslims are ignorant and uncivilized people.

Even if it is true story and not drama,then what is the relation between a crazy person and Islam.

I don't think it'll be of any benefit for Australia to harm the Muslim people that counts about a one million person.

Ok but the media and the Prime Minister have emphasised strongly that this man was not associated with any Islamic group but was actually acting alone. The media is also showing that Muslim leaders have been speaking against the man's actions, we've been shown interviews with Muslims on the street to show that they aren't in support. Overall the media and the government are placing emphasis on the fact that both Muslims and non-Muslims are supporting each other at this time.